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Intel Z390 motherboard spotted in SiSoft Database
We already talked a little about the fact that Intel would/might be releasing another chipset called Z390 later this year. That is next to Coffee lake 6-core processors on what is to be the Z370 platform. A Z390 motherboard now has surfaced in the SiSoft Sandra database.
Intel has an 8-core 14nm Coffee Lake processor in the works. The information surfaced from an XTU errata log is showing change-log entry that reads out as "[CFL] Added support for 8,2 core,", see below. CFL obviously is short for Coffee Lake.
It would be an interesting move from Intel, as typically they design one desktop processor and base all models off from that one proc. To create an additional processor holding 8-cores is very unusual. If correct, this would be an 8-core/16-threaded part in the mainstream segment, and that would mean serious competition for AMD Ryzen 7.
The new info is derived from videocardz, who spotted the unit in the Sisoft database. it is listed with a 6-core proc (we assume the procs will be backward compatible. The entry comes from SMC (Super Micro). While originally intended for release late 2017, I do expect a launch Q1/Q2 2018 realistically with how incredibly low stock is for Coffee lake processors.
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#5492818 Posted on: 11/16/2017 04:03 PM
If you walk into a dealership and take a model they have on the floor and a new model comes out 3 months later, whose fault is it that you didn't ask?
Your analogy would make more sense if it was more like
You buy a brand new car, just released, and know in the future a new high performance tire+wheel will be released.
New tire+wheel gets released
You go to the dealership because you want this new tire+wheel, and find out it won't work on your vehicle, because they purposefully changed the way it attaches to your vehicle, and they are instead exclusive to a higher end model of the vehicle.
It's not that the tire+wheel wouldn't work on your vehicle and be a benefit to it, but simply the company going out of its way to make sure they get more money out of you if you want it that badly. AKA, the company screwing over their customers for their bottom line and saying "Welp, you we something that 100% works with your vehicle, but too bad, screw you, you can't have it unless you give us even more money then the upgraded tire+wheel itself."
Lol how ignorant.
Even my z170 board from over 2 years ago is currently running 2 m.2 drives at full 3.0 4x speed as well as my graphics card at full 3.0 x16 speed.
So you're saying you ran your graphics card at its peak, and your m.2 all at the exact same time, and they were running at beyond what the chipset is capable of?
And, you're also saying that Intel is lying about their products capabilities? Because, you know, underselling your product totally creates sales right?
Mmmhmm, gotta love getting what isn't physically possible! Oh yeah!
I mean you do realize that the z170 uses the DMI 3.0 link, correct? Something that is capable, at fully speed, of only 4x PCI-Express speeds? AKA, using two m.2 drives to their fullest, at the same exact time, would net you a total speed of 4x PCI-Express speed (or less depending on what other parts of your computer are also transmitting over that link) shared between the two m.2 lanes?
The only way this wouldn't affect your m.2 drives would be if your drives did not need more then 2 PCI-Express lanes bandwidths each.
These are facts. So if you come back with "but no, you're wrong, i have the system, i know what i'm talking about, blah blah blah blah". Well, good luck showing your intelligence while trying to refute facts about a chipset and trying to tell people what isn't possible, is possible. Lets all believe in the tooth fairy while we are at it.
If you walk into a dealership and take a model they have on the floor and a new model comes out 3 months later, whose fault is it that you didn't ask?
Your analogy would make more sense if it was more like
You buy a brand new car, just released, and know in the future a new high performance tire+wheel will be released.
New tire+wheel gets released
You go to the dealership because you want this new tire+wheel, and find out it won't work on your vehicle, because they purposefully changed the way it attaches to your vehicle, and they are instead exclusive to a higher end model of the vehicle.
It's not that the tire+wheel wouldn't work on your vehicle and be a benefit to it, but simply the company going out of its way to make sure they get more money out of you if you want it that badly. AKA, the company screwing over their customers for their bottom line and saying "Welp, you we something that 100% works with your vehicle, but too bad, screw you, you can't have it unless you give us even more money then the upgraded tire+wheel itself."
Lol how ignorant.
Even my z170 board from over 2 years ago is currently running 2 m.2 drives at full 3.0 4x speed as well as my graphics card at full 3.0 x16 speed.
So you're saying you ran your graphics card at its peak, and your m.2 all at the exact same time, and they were running at beyond what the chipset is capable of?
And, you're also saying that Intel is lying about their products capabilities? Because, you know, underselling your product totally creates sales right?
Mmmhmm, gotta love getting what isn't physically possible! Oh yeah!
I mean you do realize that the z170 uses the DMI 3.0 link, correct? Something that is capable, at fully speed, of only 4x PCI-Express speeds? AKA, using two m.2 drives to their fullest, at the same exact time, would net you a total speed of 4x PCI-Express speed (or less depending on what other parts of your computer are also transmitting over that link) shared between the two m.2 lanes?
The only way this wouldn't affect your m.2 drives would be if your drives did not need more then 2 PCI-Express lanes bandwidths each.
These are facts. So if you come back with "but no, you're wrong, i have the system, i know what i'm talking about, blah blah blah blah". Well, good luck showing your intelligence while trying to refute facts about a chipset and trying to tell people what isn't possible, is possible. Lets all believe in the tooth fairy while we are at it.
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#5492821 Posted on: 11/16/2017 04:11 PM
Your analogy would make more sense if it was more like
You buy a brand new car, just released, and know in the future a new high performance tire+wheel will be released.
New tire+wheel gets released
You go to the dealership because you want this new tire+wheel, and find out it won't work on your vehicle, because they purposefully changed the way it attaches to your vehicle, and they are instead exclusive to a higher end model of the vehicle.
It's not that the tire+wheel wouldn't work on your vehicle and be a benefit to it, but simply the company going out of its way to make sure they get more money out of you if you want it that badly. AKA, the company screwing over their customers for their bottom line and saying "Welp, you we something that 100% works with your vehicle, but too bad, screw you, you can't have it unless you give us even more money then the upgraded tire+wheel itself."
That is an even worse analogy, when you buy new tyres for you car, you check to make sure the ones you are buying are compatible. It is not the fault of the car company if you assume tyres from a newer model would be immediately compatible with your car if you don't even check.
I have never once bought a motherboard and assumed it would work with the next iteration. Even if it did, it would be absolutely useless to me as I have self respect and research product releases and upcoming products, anyone who buys an 8700k AND an icelake cpu deserves to be ripped off. Anyone who bought a 6700k and then wanted to buy a 7700k and complained about the chipset change...when they are the same damn cpu almost....deserves to be ripped off.
Anyone who buys product releases that close together is insane and anyone who expects a motherboard to be compatible further apart, say 2 years between big product cycles, clearly has no understanding of how this works, in order to make a future cpu 100% compatible with a chipset that is out today, would have to seriously compromise the design just to please a hundredth of a percent of customers who reuse motherboards, or even desire to, rather than buying a new, better board with the latest features. Then you would find yourself in obsolete AMD chipset hell.
There are comments online when the 8700k came out, people crying because they bought a 7700k 4 months earlier.....news of a 6 core coffeelake impending were rumours loooooooooonnnnggg before that and news still months prior. If people are so ignorant as to slap down $600-1000 before even considering researching what is coming next, and how soon so they can find out if a price cut is coming etc, then that is consumer ignorance, just like people who were surprised and angry at the 8 core coffeelake cpu being exclusive to the z390 chipset when news of that fact was plastered all over the internet and guru3d for us reading here, months before coffelake came out.
I'm buying a new car soon, you'd better believe I'll be finding out how early next year the 2018 model will be out and if there is likely to be a discount on the current model, so I can compare the features to the savings to determine value. Anyone who doesn't do this when buying only has themselves to blame.
Your analogy would make more sense if it was more like
You buy a brand new car, just released, and know in the future a new high performance tire+wheel will be released.
New tire+wheel gets released
You go to the dealership because you want this new tire+wheel, and find out it won't work on your vehicle, because they purposefully changed the way it attaches to your vehicle, and they are instead exclusive to a higher end model of the vehicle.
It's not that the tire+wheel wouldn't work on your vehicle and be a benefit to it, but simply the company going out of its way to make sure they get more money out of you if you want it that badly. AKA, the company screwing over their customers for their bottom line and saying "Welp, you we something that 100% works with your vehicle, but too bad, screw you, you can't have it unless you give us even more money then the upgraded tire+wheel itself."
That is an even worse analogy, when you buy new tyres for you car, you check to make sure the ones you are buying are compatible. It is not the fault of the car company if you assume tyres from a newer model would be immediately compatible with your car if you don't even check.
I have never once bought a motherboard and assumed it would work with the next iteration. Even if it did, it would be absolutely useless to me as I have self respect and research product releases and upcoming products, anyone who buys an 8700k AND an icelake cpu deserves to be ripped off. Anyone who bought a 6700k and then wanted to buy a 7700k and complained about the chipset change...when they are the same damn cpu almost....deserves to be ripped off.
Anyone who buys product releases that close together is insane and anyone who expects a motherboard to be compatible further apart, say 2 years between big product cycles, clearly has no understanding of how this works, in order to make a future cpu 100% compatible with a chipset that is out today, would have to seriously compromise the design just to please a hundredth of a percent of customers who reuse motherboards, or even desire to, rather than buying a new, better board with the latest features. Then you would find yourself in obsolete AMD chipset hell.
There are comments online when the 8700k came out, people crying because they bought a 7700k 4 months earlier.....news of a 6 core coffeelake impending were rumours loooooooooonnnnggg before that and news still months prior. If people are so ignorant as to slap down $600-1000 before even considering researching what is coming next, and how soon so they can find out if a price cut is coming etc, then that is consumer ignorance, just like people who were surprised and angry at the 8 core coffeelake cpu being exclusive to the z390 chipset when news of that fact was plastered all over the internet and guru3d for us reading here, months before coffelake came out.
I'm buying a new car soon, you'd better believe I'll be finding out how early next year the 2018 model will be out and if there is likely to be a discount on the current model, so I can compare the features to the savings to determine value. Anyone who doesn't do this when buying only has themselves to blame.
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#5492826 Posted on: 11/16/2017 04:29 PM
Your analogy would make more sense if it was more like
You buy a brand new car, just released, and know in the future a new high performance tire+wheel will be released.
New tire+wheel gets released
You go to the dealership because you want this new tire+wheel, and find out it won't work on your vehicle, because they purposefully changed the way it attaches to your vehicle, and they are instead exclusive to a higher end model of the vehicle.
It's not that the tire+wheel wouldn't work on your vehicle and be a benefit to it, but simply the company going out of its way to make sure they get more money out of you if you want it that badly. AKA, the company screwing over their customers for their bottom line and saying "Welp, you we something that 100% works with your vehicle, but too bad, screw you, you can't have it unless you give us even more money then the upgraded tire+wheel itself."
So you're saying you ran your graphics card at its peak, and your m.2 all at the exact same time, and they were running at beyond what the chipset is capable of?
And, you're also saying that Intel is lying about their products capabilities? Because, you know, underselling your product totally creates sales right?
Mmmhmm, gotta love getting what isn't physically possible! Oh yeah!
I mean you do realize that the z170 uses the DMI 3.0 link, correct? Something that is capable, at fully speed, of only 4x PCI-Express speeds? AKA, using two m.2 drives to their fullest, at the same exact time, would net you a total speed of 4x PCI-Express speed (or less depending on what other parts of your computer are also transmitting over that link) shared between the two m.2 lanes?
The only way this wouldn't affect your m.2 drives would be if your drives did not need more then 2 PCI-Express lanes bandwidths each.
These are facts. So if you come back with "but no, you're wrong, i have the system, i know what i'm talking about, blah blah blah blah". Well, good luck showing your intelligence while trying to refute facts about a chipset and trying to tell people what isn't possible, is possible. Lets all believe in the tooth fairy while we are at it.
They are all running at full speed, both drives are running at pci 3.0 x4 speed, and the gpu at 3.0 x16 speed.
It's all right there in the screenshots and even the motherboard manual says that both drives run at x4 speed. But hey, what goes Gigabyte know? Am I right?
As you can see below, only the physical pci x4 slot is disabled when using an m.2 drives, and the m.2 slots do not split bandwidth ( as you can see here and in the picture above ) and as you can see in this picture there is no disclaimer on the x16 slot, it does not suffer reduced lanes as a result of 2x m.2 drives and x4 speed either. 32gb is full speed pci 3.0 x4, and it has 32gb per drive.
In the same way that plugging a second gpu in would limit the pci lanes to x8/x8 ( reducing it from x16, and gpu-z would report the pci speed correctly as x8 speed in that case ) if the motherboard was only capable of sharing pci lanes both m.2 drives would be LIMITED ( do you know what that means? ) they would not all be reporting as 3.0 x4 speed and they would not be benching full 3.0 x4 speed results which I have ALREADY posted in addition to proof that the GPU is running at 3.0 x16 also and crystal info/mark would report them as x2 speed, samsung magician also reports both drives as x4 as well but for some reason that program is miniscule at 4k so I can't really show it. They would not be circumstantially running at x4 speed. They would be limited.
I guess Samsung, Gigabyte, GPU-Z and Crystal Mark/Crystal Disk are all wrong then, 2 argumentative forum users online clearly know better. You and the guy who claimed they would run at x1 speed, both without any evidence, just an AMD chip on their shoulder.
Stop lying already.
Your analogy would make more sense if it was more like
You buy a brand new car, just released, and know in the future a new high performance tire+wheel will be released.
New tire+wheel gets released
You go to the dealership because you want this new tire+wheel, and find out it won't work on your vehicle, because they purposefully changed the way it attaches to your vehicle, and they are instead exclusive to a higher end model of the vehicle.
It's not that the tire+wheel wouldn't work on your vehicle and be a benefit to it, but simply the company going out of its way to make sure they get more money out of you if you want it that badly. AKA, the company screwing over their customers for their bottom line and saying "Welp, you we something that 100% works with your vehicle, but too bad, screw you, you can't have it unless you give us even more money then the upgraded tire+wheel itself."
So you're saying you ran your graphics card at its peak, and your m.2 all at the exact same time, and they were running at beyond what the chipset is capable of?
And, you're also saying that Intel is lying about their products capabilities? Because, you know, underselling your product totally creates sales right?
Mmmhmm, gotta love getting what isn't physically possible! Oh yeah!
I mean you do realize that the z170 uses the DMI 3.0 link, correct? Something that is capable, at fully speed, of only 4x PCI-Express speeds? AKA, using two m.2 drives to their fullest, at the same exact time, would net you a total speed of 4x PCI-Express speed (or less depending on what other parts of your computer are also transmitting over that link) shared between the two m.2 lanes?
The only way this wouldn't affect your m.2 drives would be if your drives did not need more then 2 PCI-Express lanes bandwidths each.
These are facts. So if you come back with "but no, you're wrong, i have the system, i know what i'm talking about, blah blah blah blah". Well, good luck showing your intelligence while trying to refute facts about a chipset and trying to tell people what isn't possible, is possible. Lets all believe in the tooth fairy while we are at it.
They are all running at full speed, both drives are running at pci 3.0 x4 speed, and the gpu at 3.0 x16 speed.
It's all right there in the screenshots and even the motherboard manual says that both drives run at x4 speed. But hey, what goes Gigabyte know? Am I right?
As you can see below, only the physical pci x4 slot is disabled when using an m.2 drives, and the m.2 slots do not split bandwidth ( as you can see here and in the picture above ) and as you can see in this picture there is no disclaimer on the x16 slot, it does not suffer reduced lanes as a result of 2x m.2 drives and x4 speed either. 32gb is full speed pci 3.0 x4, and it has 32gb per drive.
In the same way that plugging a second gpu in would limit the pci lanes to x8/x8 ( reducing it from x16, and gpu-z would report the pci speed correctly as x8 speed in that case ) if the motherboard was only capable of sharing pci lanes both m.2 drives would be LIMITED ( do you know what that means? ) they would not all be reporting as 3.0 x4 speed and they would not be benching full 3.0 x4 speed results which I have ALREADY posted in addition to proof that the GPU is running at 3.0 x16 also and crystal info/mark would report them as x2 speed, samsung magician also reports both drives as x4 as well but for some reason that program is miniscule at 4k so I can't really show it. They would not be circumstantially running at x4 speed. They would be limited.
I guess Samsung, Gigabyte, GPU-Z and Crystal Mark/Crystal Disk are all wrong then, 2 argumentative forum users online clearly know better. You and the guy who claimed they would run at x1 speed, both without any evidence, just an AMD chip on their shoulder.
Stop lying already.
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#5492852 Posted on: 11/16/2017 05:48 PM
As you can see below, only the physical pci x4 slot is disabled when using an m.2 drives, and the m.2 slots do not split bandwidth ( as you can see here and in the picture above ) and as you can see in this picture there is no disclaimer on the x16 slot, it does not suffer reduced lanes as a result of 2x m.2 drives and x4 speed either. 32gb is full speed pci 3.0 x4, and it has 32gb per drive.
I just skimmed all these posts but you seem to be very argumentative about your setup.
I will make it clear.
Your setup is limited to 16 CPU pcie lanes and 4x Gen 3 via dmi link.
You are not getting full speed to all host devices at the same time. Period.
This is a technical limitation of your setup.
Due to the fact under no load, the GPU will only use a limited amount of lanes.
That means the M.2 drives are able to use the max lanes supported.
Try a game with 100% load, then run both M.2 benchmarks at the same time if you are adamant in arguing about facts.
You will not get full speed on those drives.
And no, i don't care about what some program polls regarding their interface link speed.
As you can see below, only the physical pci x4 slot is disabled when using an m.2 drives, and the m.2 slots do not split bandwidth ( as you can see here and in the picture above ) and as you can see in this picture there is no disclaimer on the x16 slot, it does not suffer reduced lanes as a result of 2x m.2 drives and x4 speed either. 32gb is full speed pci 3.0 x4, and it has 32gb per drive.
I just skimmed all these posts but you seem to be very argumentative about your setup.
I will make it clear.
Your setup is limited to 16 CPU pcie lanes and 4x Gen 3 via dmi link.
You are not getting full speed to all host devices at the same time. Period.
This is a technical limitation of your setup.
Due to the fact under no load, the GPU will only use a limited amount of lanes.
That means the M.2 drives are able to use the max lanes supported.
Try a game with 100% load, then run both M.2 benchmarks at the same time if you are adamant in arguing about facts.
You will not get full speed on those drives.
And no, i don't care about what some program polls regarding their interface link speed.
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It is no surprise intel is an Israeli company...explains all of their conniving, back stabbing, money grabbing actions.
Um, wtf dude? Not only did Intel begin in Mountain View, California.....USA.....and is a USA company....but that is exceptionally, unjustifiably racist. Wow.