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Intel Xe Discrete Graphics based on 7nm - has HBM and carries codenamed Ponte Vecchio
Intel has released a bit of info on their Xe line of GPUs, and that info is rather limited. First off, the product will be fabbed at a 7nm node. Secondly, and yeah think of this what you will, it's going to use HBM graphics memory, which is rather complicated and expensive to use, fabricate and buy.
It, however, is likely that the enterprise parts will get some form of HBM graphics memory, and the consumer parts some sort of GDDR6 kind of graphics memory. As history has proven, for consumer parts that has been problemsome.
Interesting other news is that Intel has shared the codename for Xe, the GPU is codenamed Ponte Vecchio -- an old stone bridge in Florence, Italy. Why did I highlight that bridge part? Well, what about the rumor of a PCIe 5.0-based Compute Express Link Interconnect. That's a rather fast way of bridging a CPU with GPUs. Ponte Vecchio GPU would be using Foveros packaging technology and CLX (Compute Express Link) interconnects. Then HBM. It was also mentioned that Ponte Vecchio will feature high double-precision FP throughput.
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#5731131 Posted on: 11/14/2019 09:19 AM
Smells like a high-price computing GPU...
Smells like a high-price computing GPU...
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#5731139 Posted on: 11/14/2019 09:52 AM
No more. Something Lake?
Oh my...
No more. Something Lake?
Oh my...
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#5731144 Posted on: 11/14/2019 09:59 AM
No more. Something Lake?
Oh my...
Intel had enough with draining its swamps.
Punchline explanation below:
draining its swamps = fixing security holes in lakes CPU series (with a bit of political spice!)
No more. Something Lake?
Oh my...
Intel had enough with draining its swamps.
Punchline explanation below:
draining its swamps = fixing security holes in lakes CPU series (with a bit of political spice!)
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#5731167 Posted on: 11/14/2019 11:21 AM
It's not surprising at all as long as it's only the professional, server/super computer aimed product. That's where Nvidia used HBM as well. It's only AMD that decided to use it in consumer parts, and it didn't really help them against the competition. But then again, AMD was an HBM developer, so it makes some sense they were (too) eager to use it.
I'm surprised they're going with hbm on this they must have high confidence that sales will make up for the extra cost or like past AMD cards it requires it due to another constraint
It's not surprising at all as long as it's only the professional, server/super computer aimed product. That's where Nvidia used HBM as well. It's only AMD that decided to use it in consumer parts, and it didn't really help them against the competition. But then again, AMD was an HBM developer, so it makes some sense they were (too) eager to use it.
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#5731172 Posted on: 11/14/2019 11:49 AM
No more. Something Lake?
Oh my...
Lakes were for CPUs. But, also do not forget, before CPUs were Lakes, they were also Bridges (Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge)
No more. Something Lake?
Oh my...
Lakes were for CPUs. But, also do not forget, before CPUs were Lakes, they were also Bridges (Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge)
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#5731247 Posted on: 11/14/2019 02:31 PM
Well if you are going to jump in to the gpu market it makes sense to come in with something different to attract attention. Intel
Well if you are going to jump in to the gpu market it makes sense to come in with something different to attract attention. Intel
netted 21 billion U.S. dollars
last year. They can afford to produce a more expensive gpu and offer it with competitive pricing. More processing power at less power usage could be an attractive incentive to go Intel. Following the typical drug dealer and Nvidia game plan of offering a better product at cheaper price in the beginning, then once hooked on the product suddenly charge three times the price for their product. I welcome Intel bringing in a different package. Competition is always good for the consumer.
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#5731250 Posted on: 11/14/2019 02:40 PM
7nm + HBM as something different?
AMD had this already last year...
7nm + HBM as something different?
AMD had this already last year...
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#5731269 Posted on: 11/14/2019 03:20 PM
A split between HBM and GDDR would make sense and if intel purchase a lot of HBM the price would go down of course. We will see.
It is too far away at the moment to be critical, I am just glad more competition in the market place. I have written off Matrix ever coming back recently ... ( joke ).
In the past even Western Digital made video chips. The very good Paradise 90C33, with it's parrot emblem for instance.
A split between HBM and GDDR would make sense and if intel purchase a lot of HBM the price would go down of course. We will see.
It is too far away at the moment to be critical, I am just glad more competition in the market place. I have written off Matrix ever coming back recently ... ( joke ).
In the past even Western Digital made video chips. The very good Paradise 90C33, with it's parrot emblem for instance.
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#5731274 Posted on: 11/14/2019 03:29 PM
2080ti killer for $299 in coming I tell ya!.........:p
we can only wish at this point...
2080ti killer for $299 in coming I tell ya!.........:p
we can only wish at this point...
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#5731275 Posted on: 11/14/2019 03:30 PM
I'm surprised they're going with hbm on this they must have high confidence that sales will make up for the extra cost or like past AMD cards it requires it due to another constraint
It isn't going to be as expensive for them if they make it themselves. Besides, you typically have to take some pretty heavy losses/debts in order for a product to succeed. Tesla (which the picture in the article reminded me of) is a good example - that brand wouldn't have been as popular as it is if it weren't for the REALLY long-term ROI.
The thing about Intel is they rake in more billions of dollars in net revenue per year than they know what to do with. They could give out the first 10,000 Xe GPUs for free and they're still going to return a hefty profit. Right now, Intel's top priority should be to get Xe popular and to shake people's impression that Intel sucks at making GPUs. If Intel or its investors are expecting first-gen Xe to have a substantial profit margin, then Xe will surely fail.
2080ti killer for $299 in coming I tell ya!.........:p
we can only wish at this point...
Even if it were 2080 performance for $300, that'd be amazing and something I'd heavily consider.
I'm surprised they're going with hbm on this they must have high confidence that sales will make up for the extra cost or like past AMD cards it requires it due to another constraint
It isn't going to be as expensive for them if they make it themselves. Besides, you typically have to take some pretty heavy losses/debts in order for a product to succeed. Tesla (which the picture in the article reminded me of) is a good example - that brand wouldn't have been as popular as it is if it weren't for the REALLY long-term ROI.
The thing about Intel is they rake in more billions of dollars in net revenue per year than they know what to do with. They could give out the first 10,000 Xe GPUs for free and they're still going to return a hefty profit. Right now, Intel's top priority should be to get Xe popular and to shake people's impression that Intel sucks at making GPUs. If Intel or its investors are expecting first-gen Xe to have a substantial profit margin, then Xe will surely fail.
2080ti killer for $299 in coming I tell ya!.........:p
we can only wish at this point...
Even if it were 2080 performance for $300, that'd be amazing and something I'd heavily consider.
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#5731286 Posted on: 11/14/2019 03:42 PM
Right now, Intel's top priority should be to get Xe popular and to shake people's impression that Intel sucks at making GPUs. If Intel or its investors are expecting first-gen Xe to have a substantial profit margin, then Xe will surely fail.
Even if it were 2080 performance for $300, that'd be amazing and something I'd heavily consider.
So much truth to this in the business world^...a bit OT but we had a nice restaurant buffet that charged $11.99 all you can eat!....then a new restaurant open that only charge $7.99...
The first said restaurant shut down because it could not compete with $7.99 price...
I'll give you one guess what the second restaurant charges now?
Right now, Intel's top priority should be to get Xe popular and to shake people's impression that Intel sucks at making GPUs. If Intel or its investors are expecting first-gen Xe to have a substantial profit margin, then Xe will surely fail.
Even if it were 2080 performance for $300, that'd be amazing and something I'd heavily consider.
So much truth to this in the business world^...a bit OT but we had a nice restaurant buffet that charged $11.99 all you can eat!....then a new restaurant open that only charge $7.99...
The first said restaurant shut down because it could not compete with $7.99 price...
I'll give you one guess what the second restaurant charges now?
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#5731354 Posted on: 11/14/2019 06:21 PM
But how fast will it be after all security patches have been applied?
But how fast will it be after all security patches have been applied?
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#5731368 Posted on: 11/14/2019 06:46 PM
That sounds like a joke, but it's a real concern. Xe is based on the same iGPU that's in their CPUs, which means it's a massive potential attack vector should a vuln be found.
As for it being cheap, c'mon - this is Intel. If it is as fast as competitor card "X" the price will be 10-20% higher than that competing card, and they will bribe/threaten/coerce AIBs to not sell the competitors if they want to make Xe cards. Their corporate strategy has always been "our stuff is the best, sells at a premium, and nobody should use anything else", no reason to believe this will be different.
But how fast will it be after all security patches have been applied?
That sounds like a joke, but it's a real concern. Xe is based on the same iGPU that's in their CPUs, which means it's a massive potential attack vector should a vuln be found.
As for it being cheap, c'mon - this is Intel. If it is as fast as competitor card "X" the price will be 10-20% higher than that competing card, and they will bribe/threaten/coerce AIBs to not sell the competitors if they want to make Xe cards. Their corporate strategy has always been "our stuff is the best, sells at a premium, and nobody should use anything else", no reason to believe this will be different.
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#5731381 Posted on: 11/14/2019 07:16 PM
I knew it, Raja didnt leave Amd , his task is to lead Intel down the road of no success by brain washing Intel, that making a HBM vga card is a sales killer.
Well done Raja , you cheeky saboteur
I knew it, Raja didnt leave Amd , his task is to lead Intel down the road of no success by brain washing Intel, that making a HBM vga card is a sales killer.
Well done Raja , you cheeky saboteur
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I'm surprised they're going with hbm on this they must have high confidence that sales will make up for the extra cost or like past AMD cards it requires it due to another constraint