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Intel Xe DG2 could have the performance level of an RTX 3070
Intel has so far only used its new "Xe" graphics in an integrated form in the "Tiger Lake" ultra-mobile CPUs , but now Intel boss Bob Swan said a thing or two about the next thing.
As part of the announcement of the quarterly figures, Intel also confirmed that they are now shipping the first DG1 GPUs. The cards named Iris Xe Max are dedicated cards, but will probably only appear sporadically in notebooks for the time being.
News about the DG2 is almost more interesting. It should be based on Xe HPG, where HPG stands for high-performance gaming. And that GPU should now be manufactured and tuned to market readiness in Intel's laboratories. There would then be dedicated graphics cards for gamers who will hopefully also be competitive with the two competitors.
DG2 should arrive by the end of next year. Although Intel does not give specific data as to where they are pointing, and only say that they point to the "enthusiast segment" and "high performance", rumors have already been commissioned to say that the new Intel card would match the performance of an RTX 3070.
Rumor has it that Intel's new dedicated card performing like an RTX 3070, but that could be way too optimistic. Also according to rumors, the Xe DG2 should be manufactured with the 6nm process and will be accompanied by 16GB of GDDR6 memory. But, this all is highly speculative.
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#5846569 Posted on: 10/26/2020 11:55 AM
Millions of people. 200$ is where the game is , not RTX 3080 level . 1080p + 150-200$ card with performance of 2070 - is what consumers need.
Only small % has money and willing to pay for 3080 level and they dont even need it.
Many people here think that market is at the top of the charts ( maybe margins on high end yes) but actually it is at the bottom-middle of the charts.
Since when was Intel an affordable company? I'm 100% sure they sold their NAND business because the profit margins weren't anymore up to Intel's expectations. I'm also 100% sure Intel won't be trying to get video card prices down. Quite the contrary, the prices have been going up lately, and that's most likely why Intel is now trying to enter the market. Of course there's extremely high synergy between the development of GPU based supercomputer/AI technology and gaming video cards, but they are still two different products. It's not like Intel absolutely had to enter the gaming card market to sell computation cards to supercomputers and other such corporate uses.
AMD and Nvidia already have $150-200 cards more than capable of 1080p gaming available today, you don't need RTX 2070 performance to game at 1080p.
Eh, you actually do need more than that. For ray tracing.
Millions of people. 200$ is where the game is , not RTX 3080 level . 1080p + 150-200$ card with performance of 2070 - is what consumers need.
Only small % has money and willing to pay for 3080 level and they dont even need it.
Many people here think that market is at the top of the charts ( maybe margins on high end yes) but actually it is at the bottom-middle of the charts.
Since when was Intel an affordable company? I'm 100% sure they sold their NAND business because the profit margins weren't anymore up to Intel's expectations. I'm also 100% sure Intel won't be trying to get video card prices down. Quite the contrary, the prices have been going up lately, and that's most likely why Intel is now trying to enter the market. Of course there's extremely high synergy between the development of GPU based supercomputer/AI technology and gaming video cards, but they are still two different products. It's not like Intel absolutely had to enter the gaming card market to sell computation cards to supercomputers and other such corporate uses.
AMD and Nvidia already have $150-200 cards more than capable of 1080p gaming available today, you don't need RTX 2070 performance to game at 1080p.
Eh, you actually do need more than that. For ray tracing.
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#5846570 Posted on: 10/26/2020 11:58 AM
Exacly , current nVidia roster is a joke you have :
1650 SUPER which is on par with 1060 GTX but has 2 gb less memmory. and costs well above 200$/euro.
1660 SUPER which is 20-30% faster than 1060GTX , but still slower than 1080 GTX... for around 300$/euro
2060 SUPER which is 5-10% faster AT BEST than 1080 GTX for around 500$/euro .
You see problem there ? How much more you pay for few per cent more ? . Just go back to 1060/1070/1080 era. And it is simple to understand why 1060 is most popular GPU in the world.
There are only a few cards that sit between 150-250$ and the performance is pretty lackluster the only cards I would even consider that low end are the rx5500 and 1660 super and both pass the 200$ mark 233$ usd for the 1660 super
Exacly , current nVidia roster is a joke you have :
1650 SUPER which is on par with 1060 GTX but has 2 gb less memmory. and costs well above 200$/euro.
1660 SUPER which is 20-30% faster than 1060GTX , but still slower than 1080 GTX... for around 300$/euro
2060 SUPER which is 5-10% faster AT BEST than 1080 GTX for around 500$/euro .
You see problem there ? How much more you pay for few per cent more ? . Just go back to 1060/1070/1080 era. And it is simple to understand why 1060 is most popular GPU in the world.
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#5846571 Posted on: 10/26/2020 12:08 PM
Interesting. Wouldn't mind a 3rd competitor on the market. Options and features might become a thing again. It's been years since that was really a thing. Exciting times to experience! Even if it's so much slower than 15 years ago.
I think it's pretty naive to think that if Intel have a 3070 comparable card that they'll sell it at 200$.
Interesting. Wouldn't mind a 3rd competitor on the market. Options and features might become a thing again. It's been years since that was really a thing. Exciting times to experience! Even if it's so much slower than 15 years ago.
I think it's pretty naive to think that if Intel have a 3070 comparable card that they'll sell it at 200$.
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#5846585 Posted on: 10/26/2020 12:42 PM
Ray tracing isn't anywhere near being a budget gaming option at moment. If you're gaming at 1080p with a $150-200 card, turn off ray tracing and put the settings to high instead of ultra and you have a perfectly adequate budget gaming setup.
Once AMD and Nvidia release their next gen budget cards, you'll probably be get to the point where you can run ultra settings (but still without RT) at 1080p.
Eh, you actually do need more than that. For ray tracing.
Ray tracing isn't anywhere near being a budget gaming option at moment. If you're gaming at 1080p with a $150-200 card, turn off ray tracing and put the settings to high instead of ultra and you have a perfectly adequate budget gaming setup.
Once AMD and Nvidia release their next gen budget cards, you'll probably be get to the point where you can run ultra settings (but still without RT) at 1080p.
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There are only a few cards that sit between 150-250$ and the performance is pretty lackluster the only cards I would even consider that low end are the rx5500 and 1660 super and both pass the 200$ mark 233$ usd for the 1660 super