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Intel Will no Longer Disclose Multi-Core Turbo Boost Frequencies
In yet another unexpected move Intel has made is clear that it will not be sharing any details anymore on the multi-core Turbo clock frequencies of their processors.
You might already have noticed it, Intel is only listing the highest Boost frequency, and not the rest. Here’s the thing, the recent generation processors basically have three main frequencies.
- Base Baseclock
- Binned multi all-core clock turbo
- Single thread turbo
Intel from now on will only list the base and (1) and Single thread (3) turbo. As to why this is, remains uncertain, however many scenarios pop into mind. It might be a legal reason as they cannot guarantee the all core turbo on all processors.However, the longer I think about this, then an old routine kicks in .. what would be the most probable? Might it be that Intel likes that highest Turbo listed on their packaging a bit better for marketing and thus sales? I mean, it’s not unthinkable right? The guys from eteknix have a quote from Intel on this:
“[W]e’re no longer disclosing this level of detail as its proprietary to Intel. Intel only specifies processor frequencies for base and single-core Turbo in our processor marketing and technical collateral, such as ARK, and not the multi-core Turbo frequencies. We’re aligning communications to be consistent. All Turbo frequencies are opportunistic given their dependency on system configuration and workloads.”
So a Core i7 8700 is now being listed as a 4.7 GHz processor (click the link and look at the ARK info). But considering that is just one thread, it really runs 4.3 GHz on all six cores. Weird move huh?
| Processor | Cores / Threads | Base Clock | Turbo 2.0 (6c) | Turbo 3.0 (1c) | L3 | TDP | Price |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Core i7 8700K | 6/12 | 3.7 GHz | 4.3 GHz | 4.7 GHz | 12 MB | 95 W | $359 / €389 |
| Core i7 8700 | 6/12 | 3.2 GHz | 4.3 GHz | 4.6 GHz | 12 MB | 65 W | $303 / €327 |
| Core i5 8600K | 6/6 | 3.6 GHz | 4.1 GHz | 4.3 GHz | 9 MB | 95 W | $257 / €273 |
| Core i5 8400 | 6/6 | 2.8 GHz | 3.8 GHz | 4.0 GHz | 9 MB | 65 W | $182 / €192 |
| Core i3 8350K | 4/4 | 4.0 GHz | NA | NA | 8 MB | 91 W | $169 / €189 |
| Core i3 8300 | 4/4 | 4.0 GHz | NA | NA | 8 MB | 65 W | - |
| Core i3 8100 | 4/4 | 3.6 GHz | NA | NA | 6 MB | 65 W | $117 / €123 |
If you look at the above table, pretty much the greyed out Turbo 2.0 info is no longer disclosed by Intel.
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#5480114 Posted on: 10/10/2017 09:18 AM
More shady dealing from Intel. Personally I see one main reason for this- Yields. They squueze as much as possible out of their 14nm process, which results in bad yields, inability for all cores to perform equally, excessive heat, and Intel marketing becoming more inconsistent and shady. Ryzen really gives them a worry as of late, due to that we see this hectic behavior both on their recent linup releases and inconsistent marketing.
AMD really did shake Intel's foundation, lets see what other shady cards Intel has in it's sleeve.
And for me yet another reason to switch to Ryzen, can't wait till February.
More shady dealing from Intel. Personally I see one main reason for this- Yields. They squueze as much as possible out of their 14nm process, which results in bad yields, inability for all cores to perform equally, excessive heat, and Intel marketing becoming more inconsistent and shady. Ryzen really gives them a worry as of late, due to that we see this hectic behavior both on their recent linup releases and inconsistent marketing.
AMD really did shake Intel's foundation, lets see what other shady cards Intel has in it's sleeve.
And for me yet another reason to switch to Ryzen, can't wait till February.
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#5480116 Posted on: 10/10/2017 09:24 AM
@Kaarme/cryhellinc
+1
nice to see you guys didnt drink the blue kool aid as some others in this forum have....
@Kaarme/cryhellinc
+1
nice to see you guys didnt drink the blue kool aid as some others in this forum have....
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#5480118 Posted on: 10/10/2017 09:33 AM
I may criticize AMD a lot, but this takes the cake.
I may criticize AMD a lot, but this takes the cake.
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#5480120 Posted on: 10/10/2017 09:38 AM
AMD circlejerk finally found an article they can release some steam after Coffeelake wrecked the entire Ryzen lineup.
AMD circlejerk finally found an article they can release some steam after Coffeelake wrecked the entire Ryzen lineup.
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#5480124 Posted on: 10/10/2017 09:56 AM
wanky marketing as per usual, the sad part is that who ever thought to do this is probably getting a raise if it works.
also proprietary my ass.
wanky marketing as per usual, the sad part is that who ever thought to do this is probably getting a raise if it works.
also proprietary my ass.
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#5480127 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:02 AM
@krakenxt
being more expensive? check
being only up for one chipset cycle? check
running hotter? check
ryzen will offer more cores at lower price than the i5 is going for, and as long as ppl are not interested in MT perf, it can even be more cheap than intel..
besides the fact that those not upgrading every year will have a nice platform to upgrade the cpu in a few years without having to change the rest (at higher cost).
not sure what you mean by wrecked entire lineup...
@krakenxt
being more expensive? check
being only up for one chipset cycle? check
running hotter? check
ryzen will offer more cores at lower price than the i5 is going for, and as long as ppl are not interested in MT perf, it can even be more cheap than intel..
besides the fact that those not upgrading every year will have a nice platform to upgrade the cpu in a few years without having to change the rest (at higher cost).
not sure what you mean by wrecked entire lineup...
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#5480129 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:15 AM
I guess it makes good reviews even more important then, and not buying before you have read them.
I guess it makes good reviews even more important then, and not buying before you have read them.
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#5480131 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:19 AM
"wrecked" in accordance to Whom? I hardly call your biased opinion a source of relevant information. Fanboy all you want, without AMD you would still sit on i7 8700k as quad core.
Don't forget a simple fact that Intel is exploiting this technology process for several years now, while Ryzen is not even a year old. What does this tell us? Unless Intel will devise a brand new architecture on a new process, we will see more of the same down the road. Ryzen on the other hand is just a first step.
Im looking forward to comparisons of Ryzen re-release this February and 8700k.
Personally I rather stick with solid platform for years to come, then jump a chipset every release with lame shady excuses as to why we can't keep previous "generation" chipset.
AMD circlejerk finally found an article they can release some steam after Coffeelake wrecked the entire Ryzen lineup.
"wrecked" in accordance to Whom? I hardly call your biased opinion a source of relevant information. Fanboy all you want, without AMD you would still sit on i7 8700k as quad core.
Don't forget a simple fact that Intel is exploiting this technology process for several years now, while Ryzen is not even a year old. What does this tell us? Unless Intel will devise a brand new architecture on a new process, we will see more of the same down the road. Ryzen on the other hand is just a first step.
Im looking forward to comparisons of Ryzen re-release this February and 8700k.
Personally I rather stick with solid platform for years to come, then jump a chipset every release with lame shady excuses as to why we can't keep previous "generation" chipset.
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#5480133 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:19 AM
This looks like a clear case of misleading the consumer. If I want to buy a multicore CPU and see its boost frequency of 4.7Ghz, I expect all cores to be able to do that. I smell a court case in the EU for Intel in the near future.
This looks like a clear case of misleading the consumer. If I want to buy a multicore CPU and see its boost frequency of 4.7Ghz, I expect all cores to be able to do that. I smell a court case in the EU for Intel in the near future.
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#5480135 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:24 AM
Goes well along with Intel's decision to strictly restrict the sites it supplies with review samples and refuse even communication with all the other sites.
You can bet the sites Intel selects are the ones dancing to a blue tune. Fortunately Guru3D and others still get stuff from non-Intel sources so that we get an objective look at thing.
Intel has an army of lawyers like all big tech companies with lots of patents. I'm sure they can fill the product packaging with suitable disclaimers and inform retailers to tell customers the boost frequency only applies to old single core applications and in modern multicore cases it's something totally different. After that it's the retailer burning if somebody is disappointed.
I guess it makes good reviews even more important then, and not buying before you have read them.
Goes well along with Intel's decision to strictly restrict the sites it supplies with review samples and refuse even communication with all the other sites.
You can bet the sites Intel selects are the ones dancing to a blue tune. Fortunately Guru3D and others still get stuff from non-Intel sources so that we get an objective look at thing.
This looks like a clear case of misleading the consumer. If I want to buy a multicore CPU and see its boost frequency of 4.7Ghz, I expect all cores to be able to do that. I smell a court case in the EU for Intel in the near future.
Intel has an army of lawyers like all big tech companies with lots of patents. I'm sure they can fill the product packaging with suitable disclaimers and inform retailers to tell customers the boost frequency only applies to old single core applications and in modern multicore cases it's something totally different. After that it's the retailer burning if somebody is disappointed.
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#5480138 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:52 AM
@Vananovion
define "boost frequency".
as long as they state that its for ST/SC only, no issue.
@Vananovion
define "boost frequency".
as long as they state that its for ST/SC only, no issue.
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#5480139 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:54 AM
What is next we can expect from Intel ??? Hiding altogether freq of their CPU's or can we expect good ole Intel paying OEM and retailers to not carry CPU's from the Amd ??? It wouldn't be anything new from them
What is next we can expect from Intel ??? Hiding altogether freq of their CPU's or can we expect good ole Intel paying OEM and retailers to not carry CPU's from the Amd ??? It wouldn't be anything new from them
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#5480140 Posted on: 10/10/2017 10:55 AM
I mean this is just a very odd and strange move... it isn't like their all core turbo is even bad? so i don't get why they would do this... not to mention tech sites who review these products can just find out what they all boost up to anyway...
Just seems like they want more control over how the general public see it, many companies and businesses seem to be doing this now... just a very strange move when we the consumers want them to give us more information so we are more informed not less...
But hopefully even with this tech sites like Guru3D will still be able to tell us how the cores all turbo up
Intel has an army of lawyers like all big tech companies with lots of patents. I'm sure they can fill the product packaging with suitable disclaimers and inform retailers to tell customers the boost frequency only applies to old single core applications and in modern multicore cases it's something totally different. After that it's the retailer burning if somebody is disappointed.
In the EU you can do small claims courts which it won't matter how many lawyers they have, they will just get done by what the law says and have to pay X amount of money.... mind you it might be like 50 euro's or something tiny for a small product like this.
I mean this is just a very odd and strange move... it isn't like their all core turbo is even bad? so i don't get why they would do this... not to mention tech sites who review these products can just find out what they all boost up to anyway...
Just seems like they want more control over how the general public see it, many companies and businesses seem to be doing this now... just a very strange move when we the consumers want them to give us more information so we are more informed not less...
But hopefully even with this tech sites like Guru3D will still be able to tell us how the cores all turbo up
Intel has an army of lawyers like all big tech companies with lots of patents. I'm sure they can fill the product packaging with suitable disclaimers and inform retailers to tell customers the boost frequency only applies to old single core applications and in modern multicore cases it's something totally different. After that it's the retailer burning if somebody is disappointed.
In the EU you can do small claims courts which it won't matter how many lawyers they have, they will just get done by what the law says and have to pay X amount of money.... mind you it might be like 50 euro's or something tiny for a small product like this.
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#5480143 Posted on: 10/10/2017 11:03 AM
All I see is a bunch of people who simply don't get it.
All I see is a bunch of people who simply don't get it.
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Why did Intel increase mainstream CPU core count to 6 if they firmly believe only the single core performance matters? It would have made more sense to drop the core count to 2 and try to clock it up to 6-7GHz following this logic.