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Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 with AX Wifi Has Launched
On January 28 the FCC published Intel's application for the M.2 version of their Wi-Fi 6 AX201 network adapter, with model name AX201NGW. Formerly known as Cyclone Peak the units are now available.
It is very similar to the previous Wireless-AC 9260 network card, but with 802.11ax support. Which will most likely mean peak connection rates of 574 Mb/s on 2,4 GHz and 2402 Mb/s on 5 GHz. In the process some specs got confirmed:
- 802.11ax support in both bands
- Uses M.2 2230 form factor
- 2 antenna's for 2x2 MIMO
- 5 GHz band supports 160 MHz
- Bluetooth 5 support
That means 802.11ax is here, we recently already tested a router with WIFI6 AX, but lacked a client-side unit to test it. Latency should get a bit lower with AX, as well as a bump in performance (albeit that remains relative). Intel will be selling these units at 10 to 17 bucks a pop for partners to add into motherboards, laptops, and small computers.
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#5656645 Posted on: 04/03/2019 02:39 PM
Not for gaming, but interesting for those (like me) with fiber connection (1gbs down - 600mbs up).
Wifi is still the bottle-neck for streaming / downloading.
Not for gaming, but interesting for those (like me) with fiber connection (1gbs down - 600mbs up).
Wifi is still the bottle-neck for streaming / downloading.
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#5656648 Posted on: 04/03/2019 02:49 PM
what is the latency of wifi these days? it's the one part i've been missing from motherboard reviews...and come to think of it i don't think it was mentioned in the XR500 router review (which i now own since good reviews and the modem/wifi combo from the isp was annoying me with modem crashes and it makes for a decent on the cheap media server when your to cheap to buy a NAS or something :p).
the throughput these days seems impressive but how much does modern wifi add to the ping compared to the 0-1ms of a cable.
i've been considering getting a higher end mobo with wifi built in so i could eventually get rid of the 20m of cable i've poorly hidden through the house but i do game a lot and wile cable is still ofc king but has wifi reached the "eh ping difference is so low it kinda doesn't matter if you do it right" point
With a low load, you're talking about 0-1 ms. This number can greatly increase, the more active clients you have.
Now with 802.11ax is a new standard added to the Wi-Fi standard (sadly only for 802.11ax APs and clients), named DL-OFDMA. This is BY FAR the most important addition of 802.11ax, as it allows real QoS (time reservation for important applications).
Read more here:
https://blog.aerohive.com/dl-ofdma/
http://divdyn.com/802-11axs-achilles-heel/
what is the latency of wifi these days? it's the one part i've been missing from motherboard reviews...and come to think of it i don't think it was mentioned in the XR500 router review (which i now own since good reviews and the modem/wifi combo from the isp was annoying me with modem crashes and it makes for a decent on the cheap media server when your to cheap to buy a NAS or something :p).
the throughput these days seems impressive but how much does modern wifi add to the ping compared to the 0-1ms of a cable.
i've been considering getting a higher end mobo with wifi built in so i could eventually get rid of the 20m of cable i've poorly hidden through the house but i do game a lot and wile cable is still ofc king but has wifi reached the "eh ping difference is so low it kinda doesn't matter if you do it right" point
With a low load, you're talking about 0-1 ms. This number can greatly increase, the more active clients you have.
Now with 802.11ax is a new standard added to the Wi-Fi standard (sadly only for 802.11ax APs and clients), named DL-OFDMA. This is BY FAR the most important addition of 802.11ax, as it allows real QoS (time reservation for important applications).
Read more here:
https://blog.aerohive.com/dl-ofdma/
http://divdyn.com/802-11axs-achilles-heel/
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#5656653 Posted on: 04/03/2019 03:00 PM
@FM57
Lol for that comment.
My roommate is running wifi b/g single band router floor below and i have 10 to 12ms, most of the time around 11ms connected to the game server, when wired gives me 9ms as the lowest ive seen 8ms.
And by the time its a bottleneck for bandwidth, your not one of the +80% of the market anyway, and your most likely not using it for gaming alone.
Friends have 1Gbit speeds and wifi is maybe a few hundreds slower, while ONE router for 10 devices is in the basement with concrete walls.
I guarantee +90% will have added input lag around 20 to 30ms just because of the fact they are gaming on tv, and/or wrong settings for win/tcp etc.
@FM57
Lol for that comment.
My roommate is running wifi b/g single band router floor below and i have 10 to 12ms, most of the time around 11ms connected to the game server, when wired gives me 9ms as the lowest ive seen 8ms.
And by the time its a bottleneck for bandwidth, your not one of the +80% of the market anyway, and your most likely not using it for gaming alone.
Friends have 1Gbit speeds and wifi is maybe a few hundreds slower, while ONE router for 10 devices is in the basement with concrete walls.
I guarantee +90% will have added input lag around 20 to 30ms just because of the fact they are gaming on tv, and/or wrong settings for win/tcp etc.
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#5656674 Posted on: 04/03/2019 03:58 PM
I've considered building a server rack to cram all of my various PCs in while using my laptop and TV as thin clients, and use an ad-hoc wifi connection to stream the display and audio. That way I don't have to deal with the noise, exhaust heat, and cables of all those computers in my living space, and since the connection is ad-hoc over a different frequency range, there shouldn't be any issues with interference or bandwidth being choked. Each of the computers in the rack could be connected via Ethernet, so file transfers between them will be very fast, and again, without messing with the wifi bandwidth.
what is the latency of wifi these days? it's the one part i've been missing from motherboard reviews...and come to think of it i don't think it was mentioned in the XR500 router review (which i now own since good reviews and the modem/wifi combo from the isp was annoying me with modem crashes and it makes for a decent on the cheap media server when your to cheap to buy a NAS or something :p).
the throughput these days seems impressive but how much does modern wifi add to the ping compared to the 0-1ms of a cable.
i've been considering getting a higher end mobo with wifi built in so i could eventually get rid of the 20m of cable i've poorly hidden through the house but i do game a lot and wile cable is still ofc king but has wifi reached the "eh ping difference is so low it kinda doesn't matter if you do it right" point
As stated by pato, it's highly variable. The more clients and just general interference you have (whether that be EMI, other wifi networks, or walls/objects blocking your signal) the worse your ping and overall bandwidth is going to be. Seeing as you already have cables laid out, I'd recommend you stick with it if you can tolerate it.
I've considered building a server rack to cram all of my various PCs in while using my laptop and TV as thin clients, and use an ad-hoc wifi connection to stream the display and audio. That way I don't have to deal with the noise, exhaust heat, and cables of all those computers in my living space, and since the connection is ad-hoc over a different frequency range, there shouldn't be any issues with interference or bandwidth being choked. Each of the computers in the rack could be connected via Ethernet, so file transfers between them will be very fast, and again, without messing with the wifi bandwidth.
what is the latency of wifi these days? it's the one part i've been missing from motherboard reviews...and come to think of it i don't think it was mentioned in the XR500 router review (which i now own since good reviews and the modem/wifi combo from the isp was annoying me with modem crashes and it makes for a decent on the cheap media server when your to cheap to buy a NAS or something :p).
the throughput these days seems impressive but how much does modern wifi add to the ping compared to the 0-1ms of a cable.
i've been considering getting a higher end mobo with wifi built in so i could eventually get rid of the 20m of cable i've poorly hidden through the house but i do game a lot and wile cable is still ofc king but has wifi reached the "eh ping difference is so low it kinda doesn't matter if you do it right" point
As stated by pato, it's highly variable. The more clients and just general interference you have (whether that be EMI, other wifi networks, or walls/objects blocking your signal) the worse your ping and overall bandwidth is going to be. Seeing as you already have cables laid out, I'd recommend you stick with it if you can tolerate it.
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what is the latency of wifi these days? it's the one part i've been missing from motherboard reviews...and come to think of it i don't think it was mentioned in the XR500 router review (which i now own since good reviews and the modem/wifi combo from the isp was annoying me with modem crashes and it makes for a decent on the cheap media server when your to cheap to buy a NAS or something :p).
the throughput these days seems impressive but how much does modern wifi add to the ping compared to the 0-1ms of a cable.
i've been considering getting a higher end mobo with wifi built in so i could eventually get rid of the 20m of cable i've poorly hidden through the house but i do game a lot and wile cable is still ofc king but has wifi reached the "eh ping difference is so low it kinda doesn't matter if you do it right" point