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Some interesting remarks have been made by Intel during a quarterly financial discussion, an Intel representative mentioned that data center products will be followed by desktop processors fabbed at 10nm at the earliest by 2019. So, long story short, all procs for another year will be based on 14nm.
This means that 10nm Cannon Lake desktop products will not be arriving until late 2019. Intel’s 10nm “Cannon Lake” in small volumes have spotted in early stages back in January 2017. However products based on the chip were slated to arrive by the end of 2017, that never happened. Intel instead pushed back its Cannon Lake rollout until 2018 due to manufacturing difficulties originating from the 10nm process. The delay on 10nm chips is not only limited to desktop and notebook computers, as it also applies to servers parts. It seems Intel is fighting yields in the 10nm process.
| Micro-architecture | Core Generation | Fab Process | Year |
|---|---|---|---|
| Sandy Bridge | 2nd | 32nm | 2011 |
| Ivy Bridge | 3rd | 22nm | 2012 |
| Haswell | 4th | 22nm | 2013 |
| Broadwell | 5th | 14nm | 2014 |
| Skylake | 6th | 14nm | 2015 |
| Kaby Lake | 7th | 14nm+ | 2016 |
| Coffee Lake | 8th | 14nm++ | 2017 |
| Whiskey lake | 8th | 14nm++ | 2018 |
| Cannon Lake | 8th | 10nm | 2019 |
| Ice Lake | 9th | 10nm+ | 2019 |
Realistically, the smaller the processor components, often the more problematic the manufacturing process becomes. We've seent hat in the past, and it seems to apply to complex 10nm designs in their yields, e.g. producing a higher number of defective chips per wafer. Interestingly enough, 14, 12 and 7nm seem to be going strong, AMD is on track with 7nm for ZEN2 and VEGA. This year the company will continue to focus on 14nm based processors of which the first generation was released in 2014. By the end of this year, Intel’s fifth and last generation 14nm technology based CPUs should be introduced, which are code-named Whiskey Lake.
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#5569363 Posted on: 07/30/2018 04:30 AM
Nothing new. No further delays. As planned in past half year at least, 10+ ICL-S will be released as usual in late august without any rush. Back on track since Zen 2 delayed for a year as well.
10 nm CNL-U is already there, on the market. GloFo 7LP delays full year behind Intel 10. Originally 7LP Zen 2 was supposed to out this year as well.
Nothing new. No further delays. As planned in past half year at least, 10+ ICL-S will be released as usual in late august without any rush. Back on track since Zen 2 delayed for a year as well.
10 nm CNL-U is already there, on the market. GloFo 7LP delays full year behind Intel 10. Originally 7LP Zen 2 was supposed to out this year as well.
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#5569437 Posted on: 07/30/2018 12:51 PM
Frankly, I blame Krzanich why Intel is in this mess in the first place. Intel pretty much stopped innovating since 2013 (they instead were either buying out companies, or only did minor upgrades to their products). The only especially interesting thing Intel did since then was Optane, which had a rough launch due to those anemic M.2 models. Anyway, Krzanich was CEO since 2013, so if he isn't to blame, it sure is a strange coincidence that Intel became "boring" since he was in charge.
As far as I'm concerned, he deliberately caused that in-company relationship so he could get out while Intel is still holding strong. It's too convenient - it wasn't sexual assault, so it doesn't make him look especially bad. Meanwhile, he gets to leave the company without putting investors in a scare. It sure doesn't look good if a CEO willingly steps down when the future is questionable, so, this allows him to run without throwing the company under the bus. In other words, he knows the future is bleak and wants to leave as a result, but, he also wants to ensure he's not the one blamed for tarnishing Intel's reputation.
In Krzanich's defense, the PC market was in decline and the company was trying to diversify into other more lucrative areas (as well as trying to get a piece of the growing mobile pie). Tablets were all the rage, with many people thinking that they were going to make PCs obsolete. Of course Intel's lack of innovation may have added to that decline, but it was a difficult time for the PC industry as a whole. Microsoft managed to reinvent themselves, stepping away from selling OSs and boxed software to becoming largely a service provider. I think Krzanich tried to reinvent Intel but wasn't as successful.
I do agree that his resignation was a bit fishy. It's feasible that he, or the board, no longer saw that he was right for the job and decided to step down under the pretense of a in-company relationship to avoid upsetting their investors. His failure to anticipate AMD's comeback may have been part of it.
Frankly, I blame Krzanich why Intel is in this mess in the first place. Intel pretty much stopped innovating since 2013 (they instead were either buying out companies, or only did minor upgrades to their products). The only especially interesting thing Intel did since then was Optane, which had a rough launch due to those anemic M.2 models. Anyway, Krzanich was CEO since 2013, so if he isn't to blame, it sure is a strange coincidence that Intel became "boring" since he was in charge.
As far as I'm concerned, he deliberately caused that in-company relationship so he could get out while Intel is still holding strong. It's too convenient - it wasn't sexual assault, so it doesn't make him look especially bad. Meanwhile, he gets to leave the company without putting investors in a scare. It sure doesn't look good if a CEO willingly steps down when the future is questionable, so, this allows him to run without throwing the company under the bus. In other words, he knows the future is bleak and wants to leave as a result, but, he also wants to ensure he's not the one blamed for tarnishing Intel's reputation.
In Krzanich's defense, the PC market was in decline and the company was trying to diversify into other more lucrative areas (as well as trying to get a piece of the growing mobile pie). Tablets were all the rage, with many people thinking that they were going to make PCs obsolete. Of course Intel's lack of innovation may have added to that decline, but it was a difficult time for the PC industry as a whole. Microsoft managed to reinvent themselves, stepping away from selling OSs and boxed software to becoming largely a service provider. I think Krzanich tried to reinvent Intel but wasn't as successful.
I do agree that his resignation was a bit fishy. It's feasible that he, or the board, no longer saw that he was right for the job and decided to step down under the pretense of a in-company relationship to avoid upsetting their investors. His failure to anticipate AMD's comeback may have been part of it.
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#5569442 Posted on: 07/30/2018 01:04 PM
In Krzanich's defense, the PC market was in decline and the company was trying to diversify into other more lucrative areas (as well as trying to get a piece of the growing mobile pie). Tablets were all the rage, with many people thinking that they were going to make PCs obsolete. Of course Intel's lack of innovation may have added to that decline, but it was a difficult time for the PC industry as a whole. Microsoft managed to reinvent themselves, stepping away from selling OSs and boxed software to becoming largely a service provider. I think Krzanich tried to reinvent Intel but wasn't as successful.
I do agree that his resignation was a bit fishy. It's feasible that he, or the board, no longer saw that he was right for the job and decided to step down under the pretense of a in-company relationship to avoid upsetting their investors. His failure to anticipate AMD's comeback may have been part of it.
Yep, it was just bit shortsighted. Too many bets on too many very uncertain things...
1) tablet with windows still needs processing power, in small thermal envelope it means very power efficient chip => need for 7nm => failure to understand that improving manufacturing is still needed
2) bet on low processing power and cloud processing/applications => not comfortable, mobile devices are not always online, mobile connectivity is not cheap enough, mindset of cunsumers
In cases like that you sit in the room with your experts and ask them to think about possible tech routes and their requirements+consequences. Each models cause+effect tree map. And then all that information is processed together to do brainstorming over individual branches.
Intel had their tablet rage, it is still here. They still produce x5-z85x0/87x0. Only issue was their total lack of support for those chips. And fake TDP in form of SDP. Making those devices look power efficient, but in reality weak and hungry.
They basically orchestrated all their problems
In Krzanich's defense, the PC market was in decline and the company was trying to diversify into other more lucrative areas (as well as trying to get a piece of the growing mobile pie). Tablets were all the rage, with many people thinking that they were going to make PCs obsolete. Of course Intel's lack of innovation may have added to that decline, but it was a difficult time for the PC industry as a whole. Microsoft managed to reinvent themselves, stepping away from selling OSs and boxed software to becoming largely a service provider. I think Krzanich tried to reinvent Intel but wasn't as successful.
I do agree that his resignation was a bit fishy. It's feasible that he, or the board, no longer saw that he was right for the job and decided to step down under the pretense of a in-company relationship to avoid upsetting their investors. His failure to anticipate AMD's comeback may have been part of it.
Yep, it was just bit shortsighted. Too many bets on too many very uncertain things...
1) tablet with windows still needs processing power, in small thermal envelope it means very power efficient chip => need for 7nm => failure to understand that improving manufacturing is still needed
2) bet on low processing power and cloud processing/applications => not comfortable, mobile devices are not always online, mobile connectivity is not cheap enough, mindset of cunsumers
In cases like that you sit in the room with your experts and ask them to think about possible tech routes and their requirements+consequences. Each models cause+effect tree map. And then all that information is processed together to do brainstorming over individual branches.
Intel had their tablet rage, it is still here. They still produce x5-z85x0/87x0. Only issue was their total lack of support for those chips. And fake TDP in form of SDP. Making those devices look power efficient, but in reality weak and hungry.
They basically orchestrated all their problems
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#5569443 Posted on: 07/30/2018 01:19 PM
Really I don't see the issue with this right now. Sure they're on a process they've used since 2014, but honestly considering the jump from 14 to 10nm is a year away and we have cores like Coffee Lake that are reasonably performing and run a little cooler that are still on 14nm, right now that's not all that bad.
Now yes, it has been delayed a few times already which does suck I will say. At least they've been able to stay competitive and current being on 14nm. Granted AMD has only been on 14nm since Zen, but that's the same process they run on.
Really I don't see the issue with this right now. Sure they're on a process they've used since 2014, but honestly considering the jump from 14 to 10nm is a year away and we have cores like Coffee Lake that are reasonably performing and run a little cooler that are still on 14nm, right now that's not all that bad.
Now yes, it has been delayed a few times already which does suck I will say. At least they've been able to stay competitive and current being on 14nm. Granted AMD has only been on 14nm since Zen, but that's the same process they run on.
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Intel just reported another record quarter in revenue. Sometimes making money and innovating are disconnected when you don't have much competition. Meaning you have to blame Krzanich for the 3rd year in a row record revenues along with the lack of innovation which is a bit whaky. I do think it's going to catch up to Intel in 2019 while AMD rolls out EPYC and Ryzen on 7nm.