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Intel Shows Optane SSD writing at 2GB per second
Over at IDF in China a prototype of an Optane SSD from Intel has been showing some staggering numbers. The SSD is based on 3D XPoint storage technology and while copying a 25GB file it did so at 2 GB/s, less than 15 seconds.
While current nVME technology already can achieve the similar results it remains impressive none the less as this is early technology and thus just a starting point for what's to come. Intel also talks about 15TB SSDs thanks to stacked technology.
3D XPoint (3D Crosspoint) technology was announced back in 2015 with the story it could be up-to a 1000x faster than conventional NAND memory.
It looks like that the first SSDs based on this tech will be released this year already. Intel clearly mentioned that the SSD shown was an early engineering sample prototype unit. For the test setup Intel used two similar PCs with with different SSDs. The left one used traditional NAND flash memory (doh!) and the right one the Optane SSD. Both units have been connected with Thunderbolt 3.
During the transfer the NAND SSD showed a write perf of roughly 280 MB/sec (indicative for Toggle TLC NAND), the transfer for the Optane SSD to the right was roughly 1,95GB/s in a very constant flow. You can watch the IDF presentation here in this stream. The storage segment starts at roughly 49 minutes, the demo starts at 54 minutes.
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#5259101 Posted on: 04/16/2016 10:32 AM
Damn. So fast!
But, unless you're some kind of person that requires insane drive speeds (can't think of anything off the top of my head at the moment), is speeds like this really necessary for gamers?
My 3-4 year old Samsung 840 Pro is doing me perfectly. It loads most games in 10~ seconds. Windows loads in 3 seconds. Programs and software run near instantaneous without any delay or hitching.
Damn. So fast!
But, unless you're some kind of person that requires insane drive speeds (can't think of anything off the top of my head at the moment), is speeds like this really necessary for gamers?
My 3-4 year old Samsung 840 Pro is doing me perfectly. It loads most games in 10~ seconds. Windows loads in 3 seconds. Programs and software run near instantaneous without any delay or hitching.
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#5259105 Posted on: 04/16/2016 10:55 AM
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
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#5259108 Posted on: 04/16/2016 11:07 AM
Can I buy one?
I have two arms and two legs to offer.
It's Intel we are talking about. Better offer one of your kidneys as well and some marrow just to be sure.
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
Nah. It's the sort of ram buffer/cache many SSD suites offers. As for why the speed drops to 285MB/s, I reckon Intel purposefully took some cheap TLC SSD for this comparison, so it will show slower write speeds than SATA3 grants. But then again, despite what I said up there, perhaps this means Intel won't overcharge if they have the guts to compare it to an affordable mainstream SSD?
Can I buy one?
I have two arms and two legs to offer.
It's Intel we are talking about. Better offer one of your kidneys as well and some marrow just to be sure.
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
Nah. It's the sort of ram buffer/cache many SSD suites offers. As for why the speed drops to 285MB/s, I reckon Intel purposefully took some cheap TLC SSD for this comparison, so it will show slower write speeds than SATA3 grants. But then again, despite what I said up there, perhaps this means Intel won't overcharge if they have the guts to compare it to an affordable mainstream SSD?
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#5259109 Posted on: 04/16/2016 11:10 AM
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
they say it was the cache.
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
they say it was the cache.
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#5259111 Posted on: 04/16/2016 11:25 AM
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
No the graph is not in error.
They however did deliberately cherry pick some sort of value SSD solution for comparison, likely TLC / Toggle Nand based. Writes start out amazingly fast and then drop. If you have read recent our value SSD reviews here at Guru3D.com you would have noticed very similar behavior. Once caches and the small SLC bugger can't keep up, that's the performance deficit the TLC SSD will run into (for writes).
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ocz_trion_150_240_gb_ssd_review,10.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/plextor_m7v_512gb_ssd_and_m_2_ssd_review,11.html
The image shown for comparison is bull****. So why in the first picture show me a graph with 284 mb/s, while in the first few second the ssd was driving with what ???? 3500 mb / s. Don't tell that already had 284 mb/s, but the graph is in error.
No the graph is not in error.
They however did deliberately cherry pick some sort of value SSD solution for comparison, likely TLC / Toggle Nand based. Writes start out amazingly fast and then drop. If you have read recent our value SSD reviews here at Guru3D.com you would have noticed very similar behavior. Once caches and the small SLC bugger can't keep up, that's the performance deficit the TLC SSD will run into (for writes).
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ocz_trion_150_240_gb_ssd_review,10.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/plextor_m7v_512gb_ssd_and_m_2_ssd_review,11.html
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#5259128 Posted on: 04/16/2016 11:59 AM
No the graph is not in error.
They however did deliberately cherry pick some sort of value SSD solution for comparison, likely TLC / Toggle Nand based. Writes start out amazingly fast and then drop. If you have read recent our value SSD reviews here at Guru3D.com you would have noticed very similar behavior. Once caches can't keep up, that's the performance deficit the TLC SSD will run into (for writes).
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ocz_trion_150_240_gb_ssd_review,10.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/plextor_m7v_512gb_ssd_and_m_2_ssd_review,11.html
Also keep in mind that this "XPoint" memory is just Phase-Change Memory (PCM), and the "crossbar" design they are touting only provides marginal benefits to the overall design and performance of PCM SSDs.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/04/memory_and_storage_boundary_changes/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/29/xpoint_examination/
No the graph is not in error.
They however did deliberately cherry pick some sort of value SSD solution for comparison, likely TLC / Toggle Nand based. Writes start out amazingly fast and then drop. If you have read recent our value SSD reviews here at Guru3D.com you would have noticed very similar behavior. Once caches can't keep up, that's the performance deficit the TLC SSD will run into (for writes).
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/ocz_trion_150_240_gb_ssd_review,10.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/plextor_m7v_512gb_ssd_and_m_2_ssd_review,11.html
Also keep in mind that this "XPoint" memory is just Phase-Change Memory (PCM), and the "crossbar" design they are touting only provides marginal benefits to the overall design and performance of PCM SSDs.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/04/memory_and_storage_boundary_changes/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/29/xpoint_examination/
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#5259146 Posted on: 04/16/2016 01:20 PM
i am curious about their claim 1000x more durable than NAND
after last google report about SSD
my concern about SSD durability/reliability no longer based how it will last rewrite ...
but the uncorrected errors - nand chip itself
as based google report, 20~63% drives experience at least on uncorrectable error in first 4 years
30~80% drives develop one bad block, and 2~7% develop at least one bad chip during first 4years
indeed for OS-cache usage is okay... but until they can solve how to make it more durable
ssd cant be safely used for long-time data archival purpose
now if intel means it can be rewrited 1000x more than current NAND,
then it still means nothing to me
i am curious about their claim 1000x more durable than NAND
after last google report about SSD
my concern about SSD durability/reliability no longer based how it will last rewrite ...
but the uncorrected errors - nand chip itself
as based google report, 20~63% drives experience at least on uncorrectable error in first 4 years
30~80% drives develop one bad block, and 2~7% develop at least one bad chip during first 4years
indeed for OS-cache usage is okay... but until they can solve how to make it more durable
ssd cant be safely used for long-time data archival purpose
now if intel means it can be rewrited 1000x more than current NAND,
then it still means nothing to me
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#5259148 Posted on: 04/16/2016 01:24 PM
Damn. So fast!
But, unless you're some kind of person that requires insane drive speeds (can't think of anything off the top of my head at the moment), is speeds like this really necessary for gamers?
My 3-4 year old Samsung 840 Pro is doing me perfectly. It loads most games in 10~ seconds. Windows loads in 3 seconds. Programs and software run near instantaneous without any delay or hitching.
No, but its needed for bigdata and other things
Damn. So fast!
But, unless you're some kind of person that requires insane drive speeds (can't think of anything off the top of my head at the moment), is speeds like this really necessary for gamers?
My 3-4 year old Samsung 840 Pro is doing me perfectly. It loads most games in 10~ seconds. Windows loads in 3 seconds. Programs and software run near instantaneous without any delay or hitching.
No, but its needed for bigdata and other things
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Can I buy one?
I have two arms and two legs to offer.