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Intel server platform going for Socket LGA4677 with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 memory
While AMD just recently implemented PCIe Gen 4.0 on the latest motherboards and graphics cards, we've already seen some PCIe Gen 5 announcements. As it seems, Intel is already working on some PCIe Gen5 designs, specifically for their data-center centric products.
The news with an accompanying photo was posted by a reporter from Japanese PC Watch, on Twitter, showcasing an a mockup socket. If you look at the photo and focus on the timeline, you'll spot LGA4677 which will likely reach the market by 2021 as the successor to Ice Lake and Cooper Lake.
That product series will support PCIE 5.0 and an eight-channel DDR5 controller, it's called the Sapphire Rapids platform. According to previous reports the new core architecture called Willow Cove would be used, passing Sunny Cove it would get even more L3 cache (per core) and enhanced security features albeit little is known at the moment. As you can see from the photo, the new socket itself was not caught on camera however there are some technical drawings available. The new LGA4677 socket is produced by TE Connectivity and has considerably more pins, my guestimated guess would be 4677 of them. And with 4677 pins that are going to be one massive socket.
BTW the LGA4189 mention would be the Ice Lake processor generation for the server market for 2020, which as it looks from this data, will be succeeded already in 2021.
Sources: Kazuki Kasahara (Twitter) , Computerbase, via SH SOTN (email).
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#5720327 Posted on: 10/14/2019 02:22 PM
Buy that time AMD will have Zen4. The fight is heating up.
Buy that time AMD will have Zen4. The fight is heating up.
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#5720332 Posted on: 10/14/2019 02:33 PM
Fun times
Fun times
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#5720340 Posted on: 10/14/2019 02:54 PM
Well having 4.0 with AMD is better than waiting a year for Intel's work in progress 5.0 AMD will have 5.0 on Ryzen 4.
Well having 4.0 with AMD is better than waiting a year for Intel's work in progress 5.0 AMD will have 5.0 on Ryzen 4.
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#5720347 Posted on: 10/14/2019 03:14 PM
Rumors have been around for a long time that PCIe 4.0 would be very short lived and Intel might even consider skipping it, or if anything not push too hard for it, but push for PCIe 5 instead. Suppose these got a bit more substance now.
Rumors have been around for a long time that PCIe 4.0 would be very short lived and Intel might even consider skipping it, or if anything not push too hard for it, but push for PCIe 5 instead. Suppose these got a bit more substance now.
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#5720374 Posted on: 10/14/2019 04:34 PM
Honestly... nice for professional fields. As a gamer, those technologies are more or less irrelevant at the moment. Even PCIe 4.0 is for 90% of all scenarios, imho.
Honestly... nice for professional fields. As a gamer, those technologies are more or less irrelevant at the moment. Even PCIe 4.0 is for 90% of all scenarios, imho.
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#5720380 Posted on: 10/14/2019 04:52 PM
Who might have thought Intel will be skiping PCIe 4.0 - they were making very vague and inconclusive statements, something about accelerating the adoption of PCIe 5.0 and 6.0, but nothing about PCIe 4.0! Now we need more jokes about needing PCIe 7.0 ludicrous speed.
Who might have thought Intel will be skiping PCIe 4.0 - they were making very vague and inconclusive statements, something about accelerating the adoption of PCIe 5.0 and 6.0, but nothing about PCIe 4.0! Now we need more jokes about needing PCIe 7.0 ludicrous speed.
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#5720383 Posted on: 10/14/2019 04:58 PM
Not that the average user will ever need PCIe Gen5 anytime soon (or Gen4), having faster lanes means you can have cheaper to manufacture products using less lanes.
Imagine your high end GPU only using 4 PCIe Gen5 lanes, reserving the rest for other components.
Not that the average user will ever need PCIe Gen5 anytime soon (or Gen4), having faster lanes means you can have cheaper to manufacture products using less lanes.
Imagine your high end GPU only using 4 PCIe Gen5 lanes, reserving the rest for other components.
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#5720459 Posted on: 10/14/2019 09:03 PM
You'll see that from Intel in the ~2022 time frame, is my guess....
You'll see that from Intel in the ~2022 time frame, is my guess....
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#5720626 Posted on: 10/15/2019 12:03 PM
Good luck.....!! HAHAHAHAHA. Nothing will even support the aforementioned PCI-e 5.0 for quite some time, so again..... Good luck there Intel.
Especially with that 3 billion dollars set aside to attempt to gain your throne back.....
Good luck.....!! HAHAHAHAHA. Nothing will even support the aforementioned PCI-e 5.0 for quite some time, so again..... Good luck there Intel.
Especially with that 3 billion dollars set aside to attempt to gain your throne back.....
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#5720651 Posted on: 10/15/2019 01:26 PM
in 2021
in 2021
Who's this interesting?
in The end of 2021 to 20 cores will be !
in 2021
in 2021
Who's this interesting?
in The end of 2021 to 20 cores will be !
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#5721326 Posted on: 10/17/2019 10:14 AM
And yet Ice Lake SP with Socket 4189 (to be released in 2020) might get PCIe 4.0 with the Whitley platform.
https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-sapphire-rapids-granite-rapids-cpus-lga-4677-compatible-ddr5-pcie-5/
And yet Ice Lake SP with Socket 4189 (to be released in 2020) might get PCIe 4.0 with the Whitley platform.
https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-sapphire-rapids-granite-rapids-cpus-lga-4677-compatible-ddr5-pcie-5/
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#5721390 Posted on: 10/17/2019 01:32 PM
Although I don't see consumer hardware needing PCI-e 5.0 for quite some time, we're already nearing the maximum throughput for PCI-e 4.0 on the server Ethernet networking front. 400Gbps is currently in development (that's 50GBps) which utilizes most of the bandwidth available to a PCI-e 4.0 x16 slot. If data centers continue to fund switch makers as they have been for the past decade, I expect we'll see 800Gbps+ networking coming out shortly after PCI-e 5.0 hardware is released which would consume most of the available bandwidth in a PCI-e 5.0 x16 slot.
That reminds me, with 200Gbps Ethernet available on the market, it's sad the average consumer is still stuck with 1Gbps Ethernet.
Back on topic though, keep in mind this article is about server hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if consumers get PCI-e 5.0 after servers already have it.
Good luck.....!! HAHAHAHAHA. Nothing will even support the aforementioned PCI-e 5.0 for quite some time, so again..... Good luck there Intel.
Although I don't see consumer hardware needing PCI-e 5.0 for quite some time, we're already nearing the maximum throughput for PCI-e 4.0 on the server Ethernet networking front. 400Gbps is currently in development (that's 50GBps) which utilizes most of the bandwidth available to a PCI-e 4.0 x16 slot. If data centers continue to fund switch makers as they have been for the past decade, I expect we'll see 800Gbps+ networking coming out shortly after PCI-e 5.0 hardware is released which would consume most of the available bandwidth in a PCI-e 5.0 x16 slot.
That reminds me, with 200Gbps Ethernet available on the market, it's sad the average consumer is still stuck with 1Gbps Ethernet.
Back on topic though, keep in mind this article is about server hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if consumers get PCI-e 5.0 after servers already have it.
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#5725886 Posted on: 10/30/2019 11:56 PM
Etherner over twisted pair is limited to 25G/40G.
2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T Ethernet reach 100 m with Cat 5E/6 cables, 10GBASE-T requires Cat.6A to reach 100 m, and 25GBASE-T and 40GBASE-T require Cat.8 cabling and only work up to 30 m.
There are recent 'gamer' X570 motherboards which use 2.5GBASE-T or 10GBASE-T Ethernet controllers from Realtek and Marvell/Aquantia; I believe Intel prepares 2.5GBASE-T products as well. But there aren't many 2.5G/5G/10GBASE-T switches/routers, not to mention internet providers that offer >1 GBit/s.
Intel's adoption cadence has always been quite fast - if PCIe 5.0 comes to Server/HPC by 2021, it shall trickle down to workstation/desktop by 2022; AMD's Ryzen will probably have it too by then.
with 200Gbps Ethernet available on the market, it's sad the average consumer is still stuck with 1Gbps Ethernet
Etherner over twisted pair is limited to 25G/40G.
2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T Ethernet reach 100 m with Cat 5E/6 cables, 10GBASE-T requires Cat.6A to reach 100 m, and 25GBASE-T and 40GBASE-T require Cat.8 cabling and only work up to 30 m.
There are recent 'gamer' X570 motherboards which use 2.5GBASE-T or 10GBASE-T Ethernet controllers from Realtek and Marvell/Aquantia; I believe Intel prepares 2.5GBASE-T products as well. But there aren't many 2.5G/5G/10GBASE-T switches/routers, not to mention internet providers that offer >1 GBit/s.
I wouldn't be surprised if consumers get PCI-e 5.0 after servers already have it.
Intel's adoption cadence has always been quite fast - if PCIe 5.0 comes to Server/HPC by 2021, it shall trickle down to workstation/desktop by 2022; AMD's Ryzen will probably have it too by then.
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#5725901 Posted on: 10/31/2019 01:13 AM
Those multi-hundred dollar UFO-looking routers need to start making them with 10G ports.
Those multi-hundred dollar UFO-looking routers need to start making them with 10G ports.
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The battle now goes between intel and AMD "who can get the bigger socket"!