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Intel Said To be Working on Arctic Sound and Jupiter Sound Graphics Processors
It's only been weeks since AMD's Raja Kodury CTO left for Intel, and now the first rumors appear that Intel would be working on Arctic Sound and Jupiter Sound GPUs, discrete GPUs. The new GPUs would see the light of day as the twelfth and thirteenth generation of graphics chips.
It seems Intel would like to connect the GPUS via emib (Embedded Multi-Die Interconnect Bridge (EMIB) to the processor, much like they are doing with the recent processors that have a Vega-GPU. These project names though: 'Arctic Sound' and 'Jupiter Sound', well they have been reported by Ashraf Eassa from The Motley Fool, the guy published more Intel and valid news. He mentions names, nothing else though.
It'll be years before these GPUs see the light of day, as well the twelfth and thirteenth generation of GPU's are that, years away. 1+1=2 ergo it is assumed that it is Raja Koduri probably working on these GPUs.
Thanks, SH SOTN for the news-submit.
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#5510748 Posted on: 01/15/2018 09:10 AM
I think budget isn't the issue, but time. It depends on when Intel wants to release their GPUs to see if he can do "miracles".
I think budget isn't the issue, but time. It depends on when Intel wants to release their GPUs to see if he can do "miracles".
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#5510757 Posted on: 01/15/2018 09:22 AM
Personally I think Raja has a better opportunity of making something great at Intel due to two main factors - Intel's funds, and their current market position.
Intel is still very strong in terms of their market position, however this can (if not already, looking at 2017) drastically change in near future. AMD caught up with Ryzen, and now they offer their APU's. Something that Intel as of Right now can do nothing about.
Im certain Intel will spend A LOT of money on this. Perhaps finally some development that will benefit consumers, instead of bribing corporations to use Intel instead of alternatives? Time will tell. Personally I will be happy if this competition will increase quality / decrease prices over the board, and most importantly add Choice to the market.
Also small speculation, but perhaps we can see a Intel GPU coming out of this at some point? Nvidia needs more competitors after all.
Personally I think Raja has a better opportunity of making something great at Intel due to two main factors - Intel's funds, and their current market position.
Intel is still very strong in terms of their market position, however this can (if not already, looking at 2017) drastically change in near future. AMD caught up with Ryzen, and now they offer their APU's. Something that Intel as of Right now can do nothing about.
Im certain Intel will spend A LOT of money on this. Perhaps finally some development that will benefit consumers, instead of bribing corporations to use Intel instead of alternatives? Time will tell. Personally I will be happy if this competition will increase quality / decrease prices over the board, and most importantly add Choice to the market.
Also small speculation, but perhaps we can see a Intel GPU coming out of this at some point? Nvidia needs more competitors after all.
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#5510767 Posted on: 01/15/2018 10:00 AM
Well we're currently at Gen9.5, Cannonlake has Gen10, so thats still one more generation in between until those would reach us. Gen9/9.5 lasted quite a while too, so if that continues .. who knows, could be quite some years.
I think budget isn't the issue, but time. It depends on when Intel wants to release their GPUs to see if he can do "miracles".
Well we're currently at Gen9.5, Cannonlake has Gen10, so thats still one more generation in between until those would reach us. Gen9/9.5 lasted quite a while too, so if that continues .. who knows, could be quite some years.
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#5510769 Posted on: 01/15/2018 10:01 AM
Its just another integrated GPU pile of crap. Good for mobile stuff but not for desktop gaming. Therefore, I don't care. I couldn't be paid to care. Its going into laptops from the sound of it and therefore won't do a damn thing to bring competition to the desktop. Nvidia owns the entire game and it will stay that way, except for maybe some pressure in the low lower, low performance, low interest, low give a crap product segments such as laptops and tablets.
Its just another integrated GPU pile of crap. Good for mobile stuff but not for desktop gaming. Therefore, I don't care. I couldn't be paid to care. Its going into laptops from the sound of it and therefore won't do a damn thing to bring competition to the desktop. Nvidia owns the entire game and it will stay that way, except for maybe some pressure in the low lower, low performance, low interest, low give a crap product segments such as laptops and tablets.
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#5510773 Posted on: 01/15/2018 10:06 AM
Well if they have the architecture, they might as well try for a full fledged dGPU. Anything besides a dedicated GPU is of little interest to me too, I have skipped iGPUs alltogether, I haven't yet owned a CPU with an integrated graphics part.
Well if they have the architecture, they might as well try for a full fledged dGPU. Anything besides a dedicated GPU is of little interest to me too, I have skipped iGPUs alltogether, I haven't yet owned a CPU with an integrated graphics part.
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#5510787 Posted on: 01/15/2018 11:29 AM
The way I'm reading this is that Intel will have a discrete graphics card within 2-3yrs?
The way I'm reading this is that Intel will have a discrete graphics card within 2-3yrs?
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#5510792 Posted on: 01/15/2018 11:55 AM
Nope, at least #12 will be connected to Intel processors, so iGPU. The jump to a dedicated GPU might take even longer since it would be Intel's first.
The way I'm reading this is that Intel will have a discrete graphics card within 2-3yrs?
Nope, at least #12 will be connected to Intel processors, so iGPU. The jump to a dedicated GPU might take even longer since it would be Intel's first.
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#5510814 Posted on: 01/15/2018 01:38 PM
Arctic Islands, Juniper anyone?!
Arctic Islands, Juniper anyone?!
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#5510816 Posted on: 01/15/2018 01:46 PM
These could just be code names for AMD sourced chips.
They won't jump to AMD for only one or two gens, and they really haven't had a clue for MANY years about GPU's....it'd be a bit shocking for them to suddenly wake up and only take a Gen or two to come out with a discrete class GPU.
These could just be code names for AMD sourced chips.
They won't jump to AMD for only one or two gens, and they really haven't had a clue for MANY years about GPU's....it'd be a bit shocking for them to suddenly wake up and only take a Gen or two to come out with a discrete class GPU.
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#5510834 Posted on: 01/15/2018 02:56 PM
Hopefully not,
I would really like to see it soon.. so 12gen is what TigerLake y2019-2020?
Nope, at least #12 will be connected to Intel processors, so iGPU. The jump to a dedicated GPU might take even longer since it would be Intel's first.
Hopefully not,
I would really like to see it soon.. so 12gen is what TigerLake y2019-2020?
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#5510837 Posted on: 01/15/2018 03:03 PM
You really think that gaming on a desktop is the only thing that can be done in a computer, right? this is the way the tech things evolve, you have to have some patience..
Its just another integrated GPU pile of crap. Good for mobile stuff but not for desktop gaming. Therefore, I don't care. I couldn't be paid to care. Its going into laptops from the sound of it and therefore won't do a damn thing to bring competition to the desktop. Nvidia owns the entire game and it will stay that way, except for maybe some pressure in the low lower, low performance, low interest, low give a crap product segments such as laptops and tablets.
You really think that gaming on a desktop is the only thing that can be done in a computer, right? this is the way the tech things evolve, you have to have some patience..
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#5510860 Posted on: 01/15/2018 03:37 PM
Odd choices for codenames. Seeing as "sound processors" are a thing, it could be slightly misleading to some people.
Anyway, I would hope that this will create far fewer on-die IGPs from Intel. I personally don't mind Intel's graphics - they're fine for anything that isn't modern AAA games or high-grade professional software. But if I have a discrete GPU, I'd rather not have the IGP and the costs that go with it.
Odd choices for codenames. Seeing as "sound processors" are a thing, it could be slightly misleading to some people.
Anyway, I would hope that this will create far fewer on-die IGPs from Intel. I personally don't mind Intel's graphics - they're fine for anything that isn't modern AAA games or high-grade professional software. But if I have a discrete GPU, I'd rather not have the IGP and the costs that go with it.
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#5510869 Posted on: 01/15/2018 03:57 PM
Intel has already proved they can do decent GPUs, like the ones with the extra cache. The problem is that they only care about fat margins so they dropped their Iris line because it was too expensive for them to make... What a waste... And now with Ryzen going mobile with decent GPU performance, the interest in Intels GPUs is very low...
Also i´ve already read lots of stories that Intels drivers are crap. Don´t know if this is correct but without good drivers is pointless wasting time making a good GPU...
Intel has already proved they can do decent GPUs, like the ones with the extra cache. The problem is that they only care about fat margins so they dropped their Iris line because it was too expensive for them to make... What a waste... And now with Ryzen going mobile with decent GPU performance, the interest in Intels GPUs is very low...
Also i´ve already read lots of stories that Intels drivers are crap. Don´t know if this is correct but without good drivers is pointless wasting time making a good GPU...
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#5510875 Posted on: 01/15/2018 04:22 PM
Well I had intels gfx named i740. It was crap on pci but they had externals
Well I had intels gfx named i740. It was crap on pci but they had externals
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Koduri couldn't produce miracles at AMD, but perhaps he will have better luck with Intel's unlimited budget at his disposal. One can only imagine that AMD's offerings would have been more interesting if the R&D department had had two or three times more money.