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Intel Reacts to Ryzen with new Kaby Lake Core i5 7640k and i7 7740K Processors
It does seem that the pending AMD Ryzen launch will stir the processor arena, Intel certainly is reacting. From the looks of it Intel will respin their Kaby Lake series with high clocked models and they will be adding Hyper-threading towards the Core i5 line of processors.
The new information was shared by CanardPC. The i5 7640k would be clocked 200 MHz faster then the 7600k is, which makes it a 4.0 GHz unit. The Core i7 7740K will get a 100 MHz higher clock frequency. These are added on the base clock, Turbo frequencies are yet to be announced. With a slightly higher clocked Kaby Lake Intel increased its lead in applications.
| Processor | Core i7-7740K | Core i7-7700K | Core i5-7640K | Core i5-7600K |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cores/threads | 4/8 | 4/8 | 4/? | 4/4 |
| Hyper-threading | Yes | Yes | N/A | No |
| Base clock | 4.2GHz | 4.0GHz | 4.0GHz | 3.8GHz |
| Turbo clock | 4.6GHz (assume) | 4.5GHz | N/A | 4.2GHz |
| Tdp | > 100 Watt | 91 Watt | > 100 Watt | 91 Watt |
| L3-cache | 8MB | 8MB | 6MB | 6MB |
That's as good as it gets with clock frequencies, the biggest and more intersting feature processor however is to be spotted in the Core i5 range, as you will spot that the 7640k will also get hyper-threading, and that is a huge step forward for the i5 range alright. The TDP of both models would become higher than the 91W of 7600K and 7700k, 100W is mentiones for both K models.
All these changes in an already new line-up does seem a little 'panicy' from Intel, Kaby Lake may have fewer cores than the Zen-processors, but in terms of IPC and Intel should still be ahead - meaning Kaby Lake should be faster in applications and games that use up to four cores.
Intel also is trying to move coffee lake forward and introduce 6-core processors, but is not clear when coffee lake will become available.
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#5389614 Posted on: 02/07/2017 09:16 AM
Lol, an i5 with hyperthreading? This confirms to me that Intel are starting to panic, especially after this desperate bullsh!t.
It's a good thing Intel's feeling AMD's stick, we should've had 6 and 8 core mainstream i7s for quite a while now.
Time to pay for sitting on your asses, Intel. I thought you learned from AMD's similar mistake before the Core 2 era.
Lol, an i5 with hyperthreading? This confirms to me that Intel are starting to panic, especially after this desperate bullsh!t.
It's a good thing Intel's feeling AMD's stick, we should've had 6 and 8 core mainstream i7s for quite a while now.
Time to pay for sitting on your asses, Intel. I thought you learned from AMD's similar mistake before the Core 2 era.
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#5389615 Posted on: 02/07/2017 09:18 AM
Lol..there is going to be a ALOT of rather pissed off 7600K purchasers out there if this is true.
Lol..there is going to be a ALOT of rather pissed off 7600K purchasers out there if this is true.
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#5389618 Posted on: 02/07/2017 09:23 AM
Yawn.
Yawn.
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#5389622 Posted on: 02/07/2017 09:48 AM
i5 with Hyperthreading? Then what would be the point in the i7's?
i5 with Hyperthreading? Then what would be the point in the i7's?
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#5389625 Posted on: 02/07/2017 09:57 AM
Yeah thats what I was wondering lol.. minus the difference in cache..
Not really unless they specify it as higher bins.. its just going to be another 4770/4790K, 2600/2700K etc... and since you already have a K chip you can just OC up higher, most likely the price will be a little bit higher than the previous.
i5 with Hyperthreading? Then what would be the point in the i7's?
Yeah thats what I was wondering lol.. minus the difference in cache..
Lol..there is going to be a ALOT of rather pissed off 7600K purchasers out there if this is true.
Not really unless they specify it as higher bins.. its just going to be another 4770/4790K, 2600/2700K etc... and since you already have a K chip you can just OC up higher, most likely the price will be a little bit higher than the previous.
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#5389626 Posted on: 02/07/2017 09:58 AM
Well, enjoy the show.
Shouldn't come to anyone's surprise, really. At least not in the sense that Intel could've done any of that in the past 5 years if so they pleased.
Given their move it only makes RyZen more appealing and frankly speaking, even if price/performance parity was the reality of things post RyZen release at least enthusiasts would likely be more inclined to roll with AMD.
It generally doesn't feel nice to be ripped off as a customer (or rather have the 'idiot' stamp applied to one's forehead) and those 'in the loop' tend to remember on top of it.
Well, enjoy the show.
Shouldn't come to anyone's surprise, really. At least not in the sense that Intel could've done any of that in the past 5 years if so they pleased.
Given their move it only makes RyZen more appealing and frankly speaking, even if price/performance parity was the reality of things post RyZen release at least enthusiasts would likely be more inclined to roll with AMD.
It generally doesn't feel nice to be ripped off as a customer (or rather have the 'idiot' stamp applied to one's forehead) and those 'in the loop' tend to remember on top of it.
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#5389630 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:12 AM
There's still the cache size, but price will be the major factor. I'm assuming this HT i5 will be significantly more expensive than the non-HT 7600k.
What I don't like is the fact that Intel simply raped their own naming scheme with this HT i5. Makes no sense, just like in the notebook market.
You have dual core mobile i3s, some with hyperthreading, dual core and quad core i5s, some have hyperthreading, dual and quad core i7s, all have hyperthreading. What..
I really don't want this confusion to propagate towards the desktop market as well.
i5 with Hyperthreading? Then what would be the point in the i7's?
There's still the cache size, but price will be the major factor. I'm assuming this HT i5 will be significantly more expensive than the non-HT 7600k.
What I don't like is the fact that Intel simply raped their own naming scheme with this HT i5. Makes no sense, just like in the notebook market.
You have dual core mobile i3s, some with hyperthreading, dual core and quad core i5s, some have hyperthreading, dual and quad core i7s, all have hyperthreading. What..
I really don't want this confusion to propagate towards the desktop market as well.
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#5389631 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:13 AM
Aaaaand things are already starting to get spicy! I'd say that starting off from these times, things might speed up a bit and I am more than glad to see this.
Nothing new about it, i know, but given how the last years have been, you know, new Zen CPU in our doorstep, Intel making a hyperthreaded i5, Vega is on its way, we have GDDR6 on it's way as well. All the goodies seem to be piling up!
Aaaaand things are already starting to get spicy! I'd say that starting off from these times, things might speed up a bit and I am more than glad to see this.
Nothing new about it, i know, but given how the last years have been, you know, new Zen CPU in our doorstep, Intel making a hyperthreaded i5, Vega is on its way, we have GDDR6 on it's way as well. All the goodies seem to be piling up!
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#5389632 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:15 AM
I5 hyperthreading should have happened years ago I didn't think we would ever see a 6 core i5 like many people where hoping for.
I5 hyperthreading should have happened years ago I didn't think we would ever see a 6 core i5 like many people where hoping for.
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#5389635 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:25 AM
If this is true then Intel is indeed in great panic mode. And lol at those 100mhz-200mhz core bumps like we can't do that ourselves by pressing 2 buttons. i5 with HT is also very weird as it breaks their own naming scheme. I suppose if this is true it's a slightly cheaper i7. No need to call that i5 lol.
If this is true then Intel is indeed in great panic mode. And lol at those 100mhz-200mhz core bumps like we can't do that ourselves by pressing 2 buttons. i5 with HT is also very weird as it breaks their own naming scheme. I suppose if this is true it's a slightly cheaper i7. No need to call that i5 lol.
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#5389636 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:25 AM
not the 1st exotic one remember the I5 2c/HT from 1st gen and last gen...
if intel care of Rizen it might be a nice processor... let's see the review in few weeks by Hilbert
i5 with Hyperthreading? Then what would be the point in the i7's?
not the 1st exotic one remember the I5 2c/HT from 1st gen and last gen...
if intel care of Rizen it might be a nice processor... let's see the review in few weeks by Hilbert
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#5389638 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:33 AM
And why is HT so important for the "normal" and gaming user who would buy the i5?
i5 with HT is good for what?
The cache is the thing we have to go. That's the thing the normal user would feel the most.
If I would need HT I would need a big cache also.
99% of all games can't use HT in a good way. Most games are slower or have problems with HT enabled.
I don't get it....!?
That action is ridiculous.
And why is HT so important for the "normal" and gaming user who would buy the i5?
i5 with HT is good for what?
The cache is the thing we have to go. That's the thing the normal user would feel the most.
If I would need HT I would need a big cache also.
99% of all games can't use HT in a good way. Most games are slower or have problems with HT enabled.
I don't get it....!?
That action is ridiculous.
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#5389642 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:59 AM
And why is HT so important for the "normal" and gaming user who would buy the i5?
i5 with HT is good for what?
The cache is the thing we have to go. That's the thing the normal user would feel the most.
If I would need HT I would need a big cache also.
99% of all games can't use HT in a good way. Most games are slower or have problems with HT enabled.
I don't get it....!?
That action is ridiculous.
Games started using more than 4 threads recently. I agree they are not many but in 2017 to buy a new CPU with only 4 cores is not that future proof anymore as it used to be some years ago. That's why Ryzen is going for more cores. If AMD does it right with performance Ryzen will be much more future proof than an i5 today. Once more AAA games start using more than 4 threads Ryzen can shine. That is assuming you buy a CPU now and won't willing to change it for the next 5 years or so. If you can afford buying new CPUs every year or two then I guess it doesn't matter.
And why is HT so important for the "normal" and gaming user who would buy the i5?
i5 with HT is good for what?
The cache is the thing we have to go. That's the thing the normal user would feel the most.
If I would need HT I would need a big cache also.
99% of all games can't use HT in a good way. Most games are slower or have problems with HT enabled.
I don't get it....!?
That action is ridiculous.
Games started using more than 4 threads recently. I agree they are not many but in 2017 to buy a new CPU with only 4 cores is not that future proof anymore as it used to be some years ago. That's why Ryzen is going for more cores. If AMD does it right with performance Ryzen will be much more future proof than an i5 today. Once more AAA games start using more than 4 threads Ryzen can shine. That is assuming you buy a CPU now and won't willing to change it for the next 5 years or so. If you can afford buying new CPUs every year or two then I guess it doesn't matter.
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#5389645 Posted on: 02/07/2017 11:13 AM
Lol I love competition.
Lol I love competition.
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This is the most promising news regarding Ryzen, everything else is just meh.