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Intel Reacts to Ryzen with new Kaby Lake Core i5 7640k and i7 7740K Processors
It does seem that the pending AMD Ryzen launch will stir the processor arena, Intel certainly is reacting. From the looks of it Intel will respin their Kaby Lake series with high clocked models and they will be adding Hyper-threading towards the Core i5 line of processors.
The new information was shared by CanardPC. The i5 7640k would be clocked 200 MHz faster then the 7600k is, which makes it a 4.0 GHz unit. The Core i7 7740K will get a 100 MHz higher clock frequency. These are added on the base clock, Turbo frequencies are yet to be announced. With a slightly higher clocked Kaby Lake Intel increased its lead in applications.
| Processor | Core i7-7740K | Core i7-7700K | Core i5-7640K | Core i5-7600K |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cores/threads | 4/8 | 4/8 | 4/? | 4/4 |
| Hyper-threading | Yes | Yes | N/A | No |
| Base clock | 4.2GHz | 4.0GHz | 4.0GHz | 3.8GHz |
| Turbo clock | 4.6GHz (assume) | 4.5GHz | N/A | 4.2GHz |
| Tdp | > 100 Watt | 91 Watt | > 100 Watt | 91 Watt |
| L3-cache | 8MB | 8MB | 6MB | 6MB |
That's as good as it gets with clock frequencies, the biggest and more intersting feature processor however is to be spotted in the Core i5 range, as you will spot that the 7640k will also get hyper-threading, and that is a huge step forward for the i5 range alright. The TDP of both models would become higher than the 91W of 7600K and 7700k, 100W is mentiones for both K models.
All these changes in an already new line-up does seem a little 'panicy' from Intel, Kaby Lake may have fewer cores than the Zen-processors, but in terms of IPC and Intel should still be ahead - meaning Kaby Lake should be faster in applications and games that use up to four cores.
Intel also is trying to move coffee lake forward and introduce 6-core processors, but is not clear when coffee lake will become available.
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#5389682 Posted on: 02/07/2017 02:07 PM
I don't believe this i5 HT thing, not at least with this Kaby Lake generation.
Maybe Coffee Lake, with i7 6 core+HT and i5 4 core+HT, but now... would be a strange (desperate?) move from Intel IF (big IF) true.
I don't believe this i5 HT thing, not at least with this Kaby Lake generation.
Maybe Coffee Lake, with i7 6 core+HT and i5 4 core+HT, but now... would be a strange (desperate?) move from Intel IF (big IF) true.
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#5389683 Posted on: 02/07/2017 02:08 PM
I would call this responding but "panicking?" Please... Intel is a juggernaut.
Even when AMD held the performance crown for a fair amount of time a dozen years ago, Intel still held a massive market share domination over them. I don't expect that to change. AMD would have to dominate (performance-wise) for a few years to really make a dent. They need to get some deals with major players like Intel has always done.
I just hope this gets Intel to release their next big lineup sooner. Not the 8700K or some other refresh, a whole new series that redefines them again.
Meanwhile, my next CPU (and yours) is probably going to be an AMD. 1st time since '06.
The next one with more cores is Cannonlake, and that means that Intel's 10nm has to work for mass production. Even the best estimates put it in Q1 2018. Still a six-core CPU, and no massive architectural upgrade either.
When AMD held the performance crown, Intel had panicked enough to bribe and/or threaten OEMs with shortages if they got AMD CPUs. All that ended up in a big mess of a trial that Intel lost on all levels, whose payments are still on the air. So yeah, they basically make their money from this with something close to 70% profit margin (their nominal last year, for all their products was 63%, the CPU lineup is massively profitable to hold all of their failed ventures). A better CPU from AMD will mean reduction of both their market share and their profit margin from the CPU/chipsets division. Even a 15% market share gain for AMD, would be something close to a 7 billion dollar loss for Intel, so it's a serious amount of money.
I would call this responding but "panicking?" Please... Intel is a juggernaut.
Even when AMD held the performance crown for a fair amount of time a dozen years ago, Intel still held a massive market share domination over them. I don't expect that to change. AMD would have to dominate (performance-wise) for a few years to really make a dent. They need to get some deals with major players like Intel has always done.
I just hope this gets Intel to release their next big lineup sooner. Not the 8700K or some other refresh, a whole new series that redefines them again.
Meanwhile, my next CPU (and yours) is probably going to be an AMD. 1st time since '06.
The next one with more cores is Cannonlake, and that means that Intel's 10nm has to work for mass production. Even the best estimates put it in Q1 2018. Still a six-core CPU, and no massive architectural upgrade either.
When AMD held the performance crown, Intel had panicked enough to bribe and/or threaten OEMs with shortages if they got AMD CPUs. All that ended up in a big mess of a trial that Intel lost on all levels, whose payments are still on the air. So yeah, they basically make their money from this with something close to 70% profit margin (their nominal last year, for all their products was 63%, the CPU lineup is massively profitable to hold all of their failed ventures). A better CPU from AMD will mean reduction of both their market share and their profit margin from the CPU/chipsets division. Even a 15% market share gain for AMD, would be something close to a 7 billion dollar loss for Intel, so it's a serious amount of money.
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#5389686 Posted on: 02/07/2017 02:17 PM
I am definitely a heavy multitasker and a multi-tab user with around 100 opened tabs at any given time. I was ready for a new Kaby-Lake i7 PC but Ryzen happened. I can definitely see gains in my workflow from more cores at the expense of some peak IPC loss per core given it is not a huge one.
On a worst case scenario Ryzen would not live up to expectations but could force price drops and/or platform enhancements on Intel chips or Z270 mobos. Hopefully Ryzen is good enough to force 6 core and 8 core intel chips by the end of 2017. Dreaming is free (so far)..
I have like 3 or maybe 4 tabs open at the same time max. No real-time antivirus or antimalware software here, MsMpEng is disabled via Autoruns, other things as well.
I am definitely a heavy multitasker and a multi-tab user with around 100 opened tabs at any given time. I was ready for a new Kaby-Lake i7 PC but Ryzen happened. I can definitely see gains in my workflow from more cores at the expense of some peak IPC loss per core given it is not a huge one.
On a worst case scenario Ryzen would not live up to expectations but could force price drops and/or platform enhancements on Intel chips or Z270 mobos. Hopefully Ryzen is good enough to force 6 core and 8 core intel chips by the end of 2017. Dreaming is free (so far)..
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#5389689 Posted on: 02/07/2017 02:32 PM
Quite a visceral response, there hasn't been an intel cpu with a tdp over 100watts in that performance/price range for over a decade. you could say they are feeling the heat.
Quite a visceral response, there hasn't been an intel cpu with a tdp over 100watts in that performance/price range for over a decade. you could say they are feeling the heat.
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It seems to me that they are trying to fill in the gaps since there seem to be more RyZen models coming than there currently are Intel CPUs.
I don't think we can deduce much about the performance or panicking Intel. But RyZen seems to be pretty competitive for sure then, I'm looking forward to my new build