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Intel processors: Comet Lake and Elkhart Lake in 2020 (roadmap)
Intel's future architecture for the Core Series Comet Lake, and Atom's range of products, Elkhart Lake, will be released by the end of the year. A roadmap of a manufacturer focused on embedded products mentions the first and second quarters of the coming year 2020.
The successor to Coffee Lake Refresh will probably bring a maximum of 10 cores to the desktop at 14 nm. A roadmap from Mitac (embedded systems manufacturer) shows Comet Lake - the successor to Coffee Lake-R - is expected in Q2 2020, that's the second quarter of next year. This is in line with rumors that passed earlier. Comet Lake will still be a generation that is fabbed at 14 nm. Rumors suggest that the top model for the desktop will be a chip with ten cores and twenty threads.
The roadmap also mentions Elkhart Lake on the slide. This is the successor to Gemini Lake (Atom procs) and should appear on the market in the first quarter of 2020. They are ultra low power socs that are based on Ice Lake and will also be manufactured at 10 nm. In addition, these chips would get the Gen11 graphics.
This year more Coffee Lake refresh CPUs will be released this month, in April. The new R0 stepping , which Intel currently launches for Coffee Lake Refresh , could already be the basis for Comet Lake, (since they continue to use the same 14-nm production). Various steppings are used and mix some predecessors with successors under almost the same name, Intel also offers CPUs in the same series even with thermal grease and alternatively with soldered heatspreader.
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#5656216 Posted on: 04/02/2019 08:50 AM
I assume 10nm will be all named XXXX pond and 7nm XXXX puddle.
There is a lake in Australia called Lake Disappointment. Intel might be having to use that soon for a name.........
I assume 10nm will be all named XXXX pond and 7nm XXXX puddle.
There is a lake in Australia called Lake Disappointment. Intel might be having to use that soon for a name.........
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#5656218 Posted on: 04/02/2019 08:52 AM
shows Comet Lake - the successor to Coffee Lake-R - is expected in Q2 2020, that's the second quarter of next year. This is in line with rumors that passed earlier. Comet Lake will still be a generation that is fabbed at
14 nm
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#5656224 Posted on: 04/02/2019 09:04 AM
Third Party manufacturer roadmaps aren't exactly that authoritative of a source of information, just saying.
Third Party manufacturer roadmaps aren't exactly that authoritative of a source of information, just saying.
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#5656227 Posted on: 04/02/2019 09:18 AM
If Intel shipped their CPUs with an AIO cooler, I wouldn't tell them a thing. As those things coming with a stock tiny cooler is a joke at this point.
And they really seem to be stuck with this 10nm process, should just focus on 7nm UV.
If Intel shipped their CPUs with an AIO cooler, I wouldn't tell them a thing. As those things coming with a stock tiny cooler is a joke at this point.
And they really seem to be stuck with this 10nm process, should just focus on 7nm UV.
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#5656235 Posted on: 04/02/2019 09:54 AM
Yeah... not impressed.
Yeah... not impressed.
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#5656241 Posted on: 04/02/2019 10:20 AM
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for fuck sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the fuck is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for fuck sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the fuck is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
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#5656250 Posted on: 04/02/2019 11:22 AM
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
i9 9900k is advertised as a 95W TDP part but in reality, pulls double of that power from the wall.
If you lock both 2700 (65) and 9900K (95) to they're respective TDP, the performance difference is small and negligible compared to their price difference (the 9900k costs more than double here).
Also, making a bigger chip (supposed to have 10 cores) on the same 14nm node will render worse yields over the last generation (due to bigger die size, space on waffer and math) witch in turn will drive cost of those chips high.
If you think Intel is expensive now, wait for the next generation.
New nodes are getting more and more expensive, and the only way of getting good yields is by making small chips.
Preferably make small chips with the important stuff and the I/O on older efficient nodes.
Wait, isn't that what AMD is proposing with Zen 2? Ya, Intel is the dinosaur in the room.
AMD GPU division is far from Nvidia, but if they apply the same technical expertise on their future GPUs (after Navi, maybe), they might catch Nvidia (if they're not planing something multi chip already).
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
i9 9900k is advertised as a 95W TDP part but in reality, pulls double of that power from the wall.
If you lock both 2700 (65) and 9900K (95) to they're respective TDP, the performance difference is small and negligible compared to their price difference (the 9900k costs more than double here).
Also, making a bigger chip (supposed to have 10 cores) on the same 14nm node will render worse yields over the last generation (due to bigger die size, space on waffer and math) witch in turn will drive cost of those chips high.
If you think Intel is expensive now, wait for the next generation.
New nodes are getting more and more expensive, and the only way of getting good yields is by making small chips.
Preferably make small chips with the important stuff and the I/O on older efficient nodes.
Wait, isn't that what AMD is proposing with Zen 2? Ya, Intel is the dinosaur in the room.
AMD GPU division is far from Nvidia, but if they apply the same technical expertise on their future GPUs (after Navi, maybe), they might catch Nvidia (if they're not planing something multi chip already).
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#5656253 Posted on: 04/02/2019 11:30 AM
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
You sound like an online FPS Rager.
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
You sound like an online FPS Rager.
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#5656254 Posted on: 04/02/2019 11:33 AM
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
As a 1700 owner myself, You must admit that you need to overclock your CPU a lot, to reach the power requirements a 9900k has on unlimited motherboards.
I am at +600Mhz and still 40W less then the unlimited 9900k, so a 10 core 9900k CPU would be 180W or very close to the i9-9980XE, have fun overclocking or cooling that, without water or noisy fans.
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
As a 1700 owner myself, You must admit that you need to overclock your CPU a lot, to reach the power requirements a 9900k has on unlimited motherboards.
I am at +600Mhz and still 40W less then the unlimited 9900k, so a 10 core 9900k CPU would be 180W or very close to the i9-9980XE, have fun overclocking or cooling that, without water or noisy fans.
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#5656269 Posted on: 04/02/2019 12:34 PM
I think there is a TIPO- the new architecture name should be "Came Late" and not "Comet Lake".
You can Google search it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Intel%27s+Came+Late
I think there is a TIPO- the new architecture name should be "Came Late" and not "Comet Lake".
You can Google search it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Intel%27s+Came+Late
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#5656286 Posted on: 04/02/2019 01:57 PM
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
You wouldn't have had that nice Ryzen 2700 now, if AMD hadn't moved/advanced from 32nm and only offered incremental performance increase each year or so.
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
You wouldn't have had that nice Ryzen 2700 now, if AMD hadn't moved/advanced from 32nm and only offered incremental performance increase each year or so.
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#5656297 Posted on: 04/02/2019 02:14 PM
Disable Intel Management Engine, purge hardware vulnerabilities, add some decent graphics and I would listen to your song Intel.
Disable Intel Management Engine, purge hardware vulnerabilities, add some decent graphics and I would listen to your song Intel.
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#5656311 Posted on: 04/02/2019 02:54 PM
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
You're missing the point here... AMD has very little to do with this. The problem here is Intel hasn't done anything interesting to their architecture since 2015 (at least not interesting in the sense that it benefits consumers). By the time Comet Lake is released, that'll be 5 years of pretty much the same thing. Intel has repeatedly delayed 10nm, which does not inspire confidence in customers or investors.
The only interesting thing Intel has done was fit more cores in a socket (and that is pretty much the only place where AMD has any relevance), but, they really dampened that interest by artificially locking out chipsets and keeping very high prices.
Tbh i don't understand people crying about 14nm. It's just a number for frack sake, the more important is power which these monsters clearly have.
You keep whining that intel is using his 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ architecture, so what? Do you got 60% lower power than AMD? No? Is its TDP 300W? No is max GHZ stuck at 3,5GHZ? no..so where the frack is problem.
(Oh and i own Ryzen 2700, before you tell me am brainwashed intel fan)
You're missing the point here... AMD has very little to do with this. The problem here is Intel hasn't done anything interesting to their architecture since 2015 (at least not interesting in the sense that it benefits consumers). By the time Comet Lake is released, that'll be 5 years of pretty much the same thing. Intel has repeatedly delayed 10nm, which does not inspire confidence in customers or investors.
The only interesting thing Intel has done was fit more cores in a socket (and that is pretty much the only place where AMD has any relevance), but, they really dampened that interest by artificially locking out chipsets and keeping very high prices.
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#5656312 Posted on: 04/02/2019 03:06 PM
As a 1700 owner myself, You must admit that you need to overclock your CPU a lot, to reach the power requirements a 9900k has on unlimited motherboards.
I am at +600Mhz and still 40W less then the unlimited 9900k, so a 10 core 9900k CPU would be 180W or very close to the i9-9980XE, have fun overclocking or cooling that, without water or noisy fans.
I sure will have fun with the most powerful CPU at the given time. Power need not be a constraint when wanting performance. Just as long as its allowed to be tapped into. Hence I personally haven't jumped onto AMD's bandwagon yet. Their offerings aren't up to my stuff yet when Intel offers more performance to be unlocked just at the cost of better cooling.... I'll take that....even if it is a bit more money in the beginning. Longevity to me wins over 40+ Watts of load difference in a huge performance delta to begin with.
I have 47 fans in my system and its more quiet than a person whispering something to you three feet away.
I guess it's all in what you either spend your money on and or what you perceive to be factual. Because noise is easily relegated by making sure you do the right things.....like buying the right fans. The cost of my fans in my system costs more than some people actual SYSTEM entirely, so i say again I guess it's all in how you "want" as opposed to how you just do.
As a 1700 owner myself, You must admit that you need to overclock your CPU a lot, to reach the power requirements a 9900k has on unlimited motherboards.
I am at +600Mhz and still 40W less then the unlimited 9900k, so a 10 core 9900k CPU would be 180W or very close to the i9-9980XE, have fun overclocking or cooling that, without water or noisy fans.
I sure will have fun with the most powerful CPU at the given time. Power need not be a constraint when wanting performance. Just as long as its allowed to be tapped into. Hence I personally haven't jumped onto AMD's bandwagon yet. Their offerings aren't up to my stuff yet when Intel offers more performance to be unlocked just at the cost of better cooling.... I'll take that....even if it is a bit more money in the beginning. Longevity to me wins over 40+ Watts of load difference in a huge performance delta to begin with.
I have 47 fans in my system and its more quiet than a person whispering something to you three feet away.
I guess it's all in what you either spend your money on and or what you perceive to be factual. Because noise is easily relegated by making sure you do the right things.....like buying the right fans. The cost of my fans in my system costs more than some people actual SYSTEM entirely, so i say again I guess it's all in how you "want" as opposed to how you just do.
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14nm in 2020...
Jesus Christ, Intel.