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Intel Optane MEM M10 cache modules appear online
Hot off the press after the Optane 800P m.2 SSDs Intel does not sit still, several websites showing pre-order price is for a new module named "M10", these would be new Optane cache modules.
The M10 series SSDs will be available in the M.2 2280 form-factor and use the PCIe 3.0 interface. As a cache unit, these can be used to store frequently accessed data, while less frequently stored data is stored on slower storage mediums, like traditional an old SSD or HDDs.
The Xpoint memory of the Optane drives should ensure low latency and higher throughput than traditional SSDs. The drives are also more expensive than traditional SSDs. The M10 modules are listed for prices of $47.58 for the 16GB model, $82.03 for the 32GB model and $154.37 for the largest, 64GB model.
The drives are currently only available for pre-order, it’s unknown when the drives become generally available. The new type of Optane cache module has appeared on websites of several online retailers
Source: Myce
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#5512953 Posted on: 01/22/2018 03:08 PM
Cache drives were important when we had mechanical HDD's, and SSD's were really expensive.
I really don't see the point of a small cache SSD today.
If you want speed, and I/O's, you can RAID a couple of SATA SSD's, or go for even better and RAID some NVME/PCIe M2 SSD's.
As actual drives, they may be useful in some cases, but this, to me, is just too late to market.
As cache drives I completely agree. The average consumer is not savvy enough to understand any of this and/or actually do the installation while the average enthusiast already has some crazy fast NVMe m.2 SSD for boot and apps in excess of 256 gigs.
That being said, some people are doing this with the 900P u.2 and getting both speed and capacity that nothing on the market can currently touch:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?97190-VROC-Bootable-Raid-with-Intel-900p-when-will-this-be-supported-in-the-BIOS
TL;DR you can use an Asus hyper 16X + 4X m.2 -> u.2 adapters to get VROC RAID 0 on 4 900P U.2 drives with more than 1 TB of insanely fast, bootable storage.
They also did this without a VROC key.
Cache drives were important when we had mechanical HDD's, and SSD's were really expensive.
I really don't see the point of a small cache SSD today.
If you want speed, and I/O's, you can RAID a couple of SATA SSD's, or go for even better and RAID some NVME/PCIe M2 SSD's.
As actual drives, they may be useful in some cases, but this, to me, is just too late to market.
As cache drives I completely agree. The average consumer is not savvy enough to understand any of this and/or actually do the installation while the average enthusiast already has some crazy fast NVMe m.2 SSD for boot and apps in excess of 256 gigs.
That being said, some people are doing this with the 900P u.2 and getting both speed and capacity that nothing on the market can currently touch:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?97190-VROC-Bootable-Raid-with-Intel-900p-when-will-this-be-supported-in-the-BIOS
TL;DR you can use an Asus hyper 16X + 4X m.2 -> u.2 adapters to get VROC RAID 0 on 4 900P U.2 drives with more than 1 TB of insanely fast, bootable storage.
They also did this without a VROC key.
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#5512986 Posted on: 01/22/2018 04:34 PM
I really don't see the point of a small cache SSD today.
If you want speed, and I/O's, you can RAID a couple of SATA SSD's, or go for even better and RAID some NVME/PCIe M2 SSD's.
As actual drives, they may be useful in some cases, but this, to me, is just too late to market.
I'm not sure if they're too late to the market, but it is still bad timing. HDDs are still more cost effective at 1TB+, and the cost savings get exponential as you get higher.
RAID'ing SSDs is generally a bad idea unless you're on a real tight budget. All it does is improve sequential read/write speeds (which most applications will never take advantage of in a useful manner) while hurting random read/write speeds, which is where SSD performance really comes in handy.
I really don't see the point of a small cache SSD today.
If you want speed, and I/O's, you can RAID a couple of SATA SSD's, or go for even better and RAID some NVME/PCIe M2 SSD's.
As actual drives, they may be useful in some cases, but this, to me, is just too late to market.
I'm not sure if they're too late to the market, but it is still bad timing. HDDs are still more cost effective at 1TB+, and the cost savings get exponential as you get higher.
RAID'ing SSDs is generally a bad idea unless you're on a real tight budget. All it does is improve sequential read/write speeds (which most applications will never take advantage of in a useful manner) while hurting random read/write speeds, which is where SSD performance really comes in handy.
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#5513040 Posted on: 01/22/2018 06:41 PM
I'm not sure if they're too late to the market, but it is still bad timing. HDDs are still more cost effective at 1TB+, and the cost savings get exponential as you get higher.
RAID'ing SSDs is generally a bad idea unless you're on a real tight budget. All it does is improve sequential read/write speeds (which most applications will never take advantage of in a useful manner) while hurting random read/write speeds, which is where SSD performance really comes in handy.
Usually true about the RAID overhead/latencies but due to the way Optane works and the way VROC works the random read/writes (even in RAID) crush just about every NVMe drive. Check out the benchmarks on the 2nd page of the thread I posted.
I just checked my 950 pro and 960 pro against the Optane RAID setup, these are the results:
I'm not sure if they're too late to the market, but it is still bad timing. HDDs are still more cost effective at 1TB+, and the cost savings get exponential as you get higher.
RAID'ing SSDs is generally a bad idea unless you're on a real tight budget. All it does is improve sequential read/write speeds (which most applications will never take advantage of in a useful manner) while hurting random read/write speeds, which is where SSD performance really comes in handy.
Usually true about the RAID overhead/latencies but due to the way Optane works and the way VROC works the random read/writes (even in RAID) crush just about every NVMe drive. Check out the benchmarks on the 2nd page of the thread I posted.
I just checked my 950 pro and 960 pro against the Optane RAID setup, these are the results:
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#5513061 Posted on: 01/22/2018 07:35 PM
Bare in mind each drive has minimal data on so they will read faster.
Bare in mind each drive has minimal data on so they will read faster.
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Cache drives were important when we had mechanical HDD's, and SSD's were really expensive.
I really don't see the point of a small cache SSD today.
If you want speed, and I/O's, you can RAID a couple of SATA SSD's, or go for even better and RAID some NVME/PCIe M2 SSD's.
As actual drives, they may be useful in some cases, but this, to me, is just too late to market.