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Intel might rename nodes like 10nm to better align with chip industry
TSMC has been making chips on their 7 nanometer process for some time closing in on 5 and 4 nm already. Intel still mostly at 14nm due to obstacles with their 10nm node. Despite the difference in naming, TSMC's 7nm and Intel's 10nm nodes would be fairly similar.
Notwithstanding the variety in naming, TSMC's 7nm and Intel's 10nm nodes would be fairly similar, states Intel. And they are getting a little weary of the confusion. The name of their process suggests it is less sophisticated, here's what Oregon live has to say about it:
Employees say Ann Kelleher, the Hillsboro vice president who runs Intel’s manufacturing group, notified them last week that Intel plans to change its numbering conventions to match the industry standard. It’s not clear just when this will happen. Intel’s next generation of processor, currently described as a 7nm chip, is due in 2023. Intel declined to comment on its numbering plans except to reiterate that it believes its chips are more advanced than current descriptions suggest.
“It’s widely acknowledged in the industry that there is inconsistency and confusion in nanometer nomenclature, and it does not reflect the latest innovations at the transistor level,” said Intel spokeswoman Chelsea Hughes.
Intel's next processor on a new node, currently defined as 7nm, should be released in 2023. Intel declined to comment on the rumors but reemphasized that application naming is confusing. We have to say, it's very uncertain this will actually happen.
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#5901194 Posted on: 03/31/2021 06:01 PM
I don't even know what "nm" means anymore. If you look at the 7nm CPUs, the individual CPU components are listed as 20nm, 30nm, etc. Where's the 7nm coming from? Is this a CPU's equivalent of "1ms response time" and "1000000000000000000:1 contrast ratio"?
I don't even know what "nm" means anymore. If you look at the 7nm CPUs, the individual CPU components are listed as 20nm, 30nm, etc. Where's the 7nm coming from? Is this a CPU's equivalent of "1ms response time" and "1000000000000000000:1 contrast ratio"?
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#5901204 Posted on: 03/31/2021 06:16 PM
Intel is a giant and they were producing 14nm chips before TSMC reached the equivalent level, so I could understand if Intel does feel a bit annoyed by looking worse due to the naming difference, now that TSMC is making 7 and 5nm chips routinely. That being said, Intel 10nm, the TSMC 7nm equivalent, has been a huge headache for Intel, so even if Intel does feel like it has been able to keep up with TSMC, the truth is that TSMC didn't have the problems Intel does. It's possible Intel won't have similar problems with its 7nm. Looking at all the problems the capacity lacking in the global chip manufacturing industry is causing, I sure do hope things will go more smoothly for Intel.
All that being said, if Intel now changed the nomenclature of its 14nm to 10nm, and its 10nm or 7nm, it would look kind of pitiful.
Intel is a giant and they were producing 14nm chips before TSMC reached the equivalent level, so I could understand if Intel does feel a bit annoyed by looking worse due to the naming difference, now that TSMC is making 7 and 5nm chips routinely. That being said, Intel 10nm, the TSMC 7nm equivalent, has been a huge headache for Intel, so even if Intel does feel like it has been able to keep up with TSMC, the truth is that TSMC didn't have the problems Intel does. It's possible Intel won't have similar problems with its 7nm. Looking at all the problems the capacity lacking in the global chip manufacturing industry is causing, I sure do hope things will go more smoothly for Intel.
All that being said, if Intel now changed the nomenclature of its 14nm to 10nm, and its 10nm or 7nm, it would look kind of pitiful.
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#5901210 Posted on: 03/31/2021 06:27 PM
That's funny, but, I get why Intel is doing this. Even here, there are people who think Intel's 10nm is worse than TSCM's 7nm. Sites that compare CPU stats aren't doing Intel any favors either. Intel has already been facing image problems for almost 4 years, and with the release of the 11900K, it hasn't got better. Using their competitor's way of measuring transistors is one way to seem like they're actually making competitive progress, especially when you consider how much people make such a fuss about it.
Oh come on... Coming next: "we're changing the way we monitor CPU power consumption and temperatures to align with industry standard"
That's funny, but, I get why Intel is doing this. Even here, there are people who think Intel's 10nm is worse than TSCM's 7nm. Sites that compare CPU stats aren't doing Intel any favors either. Intel has already been facing image problems for almost 4 years, and with the release of the 11900K, it hasn't got better. Using their competitor's way of measuring transistors is one way to seem like they're actually making competitive progress, especially when you consider how much people make such a fuss about it.
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#5901212 Posted on: 03/31/2021 06:30 PM
I think is the transistor gate not the whole component/transistor.
I don't even know what "nm" means anymore. If you look at the 7nm CPUs, the individual CPU components are listed as 20nm, 30nm, etc. Where's the 7nm coming from? Is this a CPU's equivalent of "1ms response time" and "1000000000000000000:1 contrast ratio"?
I think is the transistor gate not the whole component/transistor.
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Oh come on... Coming next: "we're changing the way we monitor CPU power consumption and temperatures to align with industry standard"