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Intel is Trying to Manipulate AMD Ryzen Launch?
Yesterday in the forums somebody asked if we received Intel review guidelines from Intel for the Ryzen review as well. A very curious question, I answered no. And if they did we simply never use them as we do things our own way (as we always do).
They question itself was already curious but if we dive deeper into the story we see the claims have been made by Semi-Accurate, not the most unbiased source. Then again, we see no reason for them to make this stuff up. Also some other press apparently received that email. So yes, as it seems Intel has been reaching out to certain media in shameless attempt to influence upcoming benchmark scores in their favor. Intel's PR department is contacting media and calling in favors with the press by issuing them "guidelines" on how to review AMD Ryzen. Intel's PR emails include this line: "call us before you write."
This is the story of the day for sure. It is going to be a rough week for Intel, that's for sure. But if true, come on Intel, really?
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#5398624 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:21 AM
If Ryzen truly delivers, there will be good numbers everywhere from people.
Sites doing this favor to intel may as well "close the shop". Because this launch is very important for everyone and people will know truth soon enough.
@HH: I am not sure what set of tests you are doing with Ryzen, but would be lovely if we had geekbench included and we could see effect of different DDR4 speeds too.
It is very easy to compare different types of workloads. As some people need something particular and others are looking for different instructions.
If Ryzen truly delivers, there will be good numbers everywhere from people.
Sites doing this favor to intel may as well "close the shop". Because this launch is very important for everyone and people will know truth soon enough.
@HH: I am not sure what set of tests you are doing with Ryzen, but would be lovely if we had geekbench included and we could see effect of different DDR4 speeds too.
It is very easy to compare different types of workloads. As some people need something particular and others are looking for different instructions.
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#5398627 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:23 AM
I stopped reading at S|A, honestly don't know why you'd bother posting anything from Charlie.
Looking forward to your review of Ryzen though, the leaked benchmarks show it really shining. At this rate my next CPU will be an AMD for sure unless Intel get their **** together (or if the leaks are fabricated
)
I stopped reading at S|A, honestly don't know why you'd bother posting anything from Charlie.
Looking forward to your review of Ryzen though, the leaked benchmarks show it really shining. At this rate my next CPU will be an AMD for sure unless Intel get their **** together (or if the leaks are fabricated
)
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#5398629 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:24 AM
Surely, if Intel is doing this (again) it is illegal?
They were doing this same thing many years ago and the EU took them to court, after they were threatening partners who would make motherboards for AMD.
It makes me want to throw my intel setup away (and I would if I could afford to).
Surely, if Intel is doing this (again) it is illegal?
They were doing this same thing many years ago and the EU took them to court, after they were threatening partners who would make motherboards for AMD.
It makes me want to throw my intel setup away (and I would if I could afford to).
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#5398630 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:27 AM
Its crazy but i would say it could easy be true, if you think how much $$$ is involved here. One small "manipulation" could easy make few % diference in sale. We can use simple math to calculate how many millions USD that is
Its crazy but i would say it could easy be true, if you think how much $$$ is involved here. One small "manipulation" could easy make few % diference in sale. We can use simple math to calculate how many millions USD that is
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#5398631 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:28 AM
Hilbert, Could you please do your "RYZEN unboxing" video
Hilbert, Could you please do your "RYZEN unboxing" video
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#5398632 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:30 AM
Surely, if Intel is doing this (again) it is illegal?
They were doing this same thing many years ago and the EU took them to court, after they were threatening partners who would make motherboards for AMD.
It makes me want to throw my intel setup away (and I would if I could afford to).
Few billion fine, compared to vast amount of sales they took away. Pretty sure it was win/win for Intel still, even after been fined by the EU.
Surely, if Intel is doing this (again) it is illegal?
They were doing this same thing many years ago and the EU took them to court, after they were threatening partners who would make motherboards for AMD.
It makes me want to throw my intel setup away (and I would if I could afford to).
Few billion fine, compared to vast amount of sales they took away. Pretty sure it was win/win for Intel still, even after been fined by the EU.
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#5398633 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:32 AM
I'm crossing my fingers AMD kicks Intel's ass this time, hopefully they can pull it of and really make some competition.
I'm crossing my fingers AMD kicks Intel's ass this time, hopefully they can pull it of and really make some competition.
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#5398635 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:36 AM
From my reading on this, a few of the tech sites said they had the usual intel contacts when AMD announces products...or nothing out of the ordinary. As to why Charlie Douche....'makes stuff up'...if it isn't an AMD GPU or CPU he's at best, alternative facts.
From my reading on this, a few of the tech sites said they had the usual intel contacts when AMD announces products...or nothing out of the ordinary. As to why Charlie Douche....'makes stuff up'...if it isn't an AMD GPU or CPU he's at best, alternative facts.
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#5398636 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:37 AM
http://*************/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/ (wccftech) This article has an update on it. It says:
The editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intel’s response following AMD’s Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be. Adding that nothing was particularly unusual about the emails they received from Intel.
http://*************/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/ (wccftech) This article has an update on it. It says:
The editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intel’s response following AMD’s Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be. Adding that nothing was particularly unusual about the emails they received from Intel.
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#5398637 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:39 AM
http://*************/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/ (wccftech) This article has an update on it. It says:
The editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intel’s response following AMD’s Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be. Adding that nothing was particularly unusual about the emails they received from Intel.
Missed it by a minute
http://*************/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/ (wccftech) This article has an update on it. It says:
The editors-in-chief of two of America’s top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intel’s response following AMD’s Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be. Adding that nothing was particularly unusual about the emails they received from Intel.
Missed it by a minute
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#5398638 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:41 AM
Currently Ryzen only supports a limited set of DDR4 speeds. It's not a hardware limitation, it's just because AMD's focus has been on performance and not overclocked memory compatibility. The benefits from the focus on performance outweighed the potential performance increase of focussing on high speed RAM compatibility. Apparently within a month or so there will be new microcode available, it will then be up the the manufacturer to update the relevant bios. Enthusiasts can update the microcode and other modules manually, but hopefully they won't be slack.
So far it may mean that you are limited to mid DDR4-2xxx speeds, after the microcode update supposedly you could use speeds up to mid DDR4-3xxx and probably higher.
It would be good therefore that after the microcode is released and bios is available that a comparative review is done between say, DDR4-2400 on the new bios and the review system, everything else the same, and then the benefit of DDR4-3200 and higher on the new bios.
Currently Ryzen only supports a limited set of DDR4 speeds. It's not a hardware limitation, it's just because AMD's focus has been on performance and not overclocked memory compatibility. The benefits from the focus on performance outweighed the potential performance increase of focussing on high speed RAM compatibility. Apparently within a month or so there will be new microcode available, it will then be up the the manufacturer to update the relevant bios. Enthusiasts can update the microcode and other modules manually, but hopefully they won't be slack.
So far it may mean that you are limited to mid DDR4-2xxx speeds, after the microcode update supposedly you could use speeds up to mid DDR4-3xxx and probably higher.
It would be good therefore that after the microcode is released and bios is available that a comparative review is done between say, DDR4-2400 on the new bios and the review system, everything else the same, and then the benefit of DDR4-3200 and higher on the new bios.
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#5398643 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:51 AM
Currently Ryzen only supports a limited set of DDR4 speeds. It's not a hardware limitation, it's just because AMD's focus has been on performance and not overclocked memory compatibility. The benefits from the focus on performance outweighed the potential performance increase of focussing on high speed RAM compatibility. Apparently within a month or so there will be new microcode available, it will then be up the the manufacturer to update the relevant bios. Enthusiasts can update the microcode and other modules manually, but hopefully they won't be slack.
So far it may mean that you are limited to mid DDR4-2xxx speeds, after the microcode update supposedly you could use speeds up to mid DDR4-3xxx and probably higher.
It would be good therefore that after the microcode is released and bios is available that a comparative review is done between say, DDR4-2400 on the new bios and the review system, everything else the same, and then the benefit of DDR4-3200 and higher on the new bios.
Higher RAM speeds seldom yield much benefit, inside the type of RAM used (there's generally been benefits to increasin from type to type, though ddr3->4 showed kind of meh gains for performance). Some tasks are boosted by it, but usualy not much.
Currently Ryzen only supports a limited set of DDR4 speeds. It's not a hardware limitation, it's just because AMD's focus has been on performance and not overclocked memory compatibility. The benefits from the focus on performance outweighed the potential performance increase of focussing on high speed RAM compatibility. Apparently within a month or so there will be new microcode available, it will then be up the the manufacturer to update the relevant bios. Enthusiasts can update the microcode and other modules manually, but hopefully they won't be slack.
So far it may mean that you are limited to mid DDR4-2xxx speeds, after the microcode update supposedly you could use speeds up to mid DDR4-3xxx and probably higher.
It would be good therefore that after the microcode is released and bios is available that a comparative review is done between say, DDR4-2400 on the new bios and the review system, everything else the same, and then the benefit of DDR4-3200 and higher on the new bios.
Higher RAM speeds seldom yield much benefit, inside the type of RAM used (there's generally been benefits to increasin from type to type, though ddr3->4 showed kind of meh gains for performance). Some tasks are boosted by it, but usualy not much.
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#5398646 Posted on: 02/27/2017 10:53 AM
Asus and Gigabyte already did list up to 3200, though.
So far it may mean that you are limited to mid DDR4-2xxx speeds, after the microcode update supposedly you could use speeds up to mid DDR4-3xxx and probably higher.
Asus and Gigabyte already did list up to 3200, though.
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#5398648 Posted on: 02/27/2017 11:02 AM
Absolutely disgusting practise, if it is indeed true.
I've already hastily pre-ordered an 1700X and Asrock X370 Taichi, unless HH's review brings up something truly terrible on March 2nd then it'll be replacing my 2500k that's already getting a bit long in the tooth especially for video editing.
Intel need to sort their practises out, AMD are bringing their A game.
If true it's unfair competition.
Absolutely disgusting practise, if it is indeed true.
I've already hastily pre-ordered an 1700X and Asrock X370 Taichi, unless HH's review brings up something truly terrible on March 2nd then it'll be replacing my 2500k that's already getting a bit long in the tooth especially for video editing.
Intel need to sort their practises out, AMD are bringing their A game.
If true it's unfair competition.
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Absolutely disgusting practise, if it is indeed true.
I've already hastily pre-ordered an 1700X and Asrock X370 Taichi, unless HH's review brings up something truly terrible on March 2nd then it'll be replacing my 2500k that's already getting a bit long in the tooth especially for video editing.
Intel need to sort their practises out, AMD are bringing their A game.