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Intel Haswell-E X99 Chipset Details And Launch Time
We have talked about the Intel Haswell-E X99 Chipset quite a bit in the past already. Now more details have surfaced. Basically the X99 chipset which has codename Wellsburg will be released in the June timeframe, Computex anyone ? New to the list is confirmed support for DDR4 memory.
X99 chipset will support low voltage (1.2V) DDR4 RAM kits (must be the 1333 MHz ones). The DIMM connector now has 288 pins (as opposed to 284 from earlier), the 4 additional pins added to support NVDIMM modules. Good news is that both 284/288 pin RAM modules will be usable on motherboards with the 284 pin connector or the new 288 pin connector. It will have 14 USB ports and 10 Sata ports. Interestingly it will also feature Intel’s Integrated Clock Support.
Both the 6 core and 8 core processor versions will get a 140 W TDP and a maximum memory speed of 2133Mhz per DIMM slot. Haswell-E will bring a new version of your same old LGA 2011 socket with it. Dubbed LGA 2011-3, the derived socket has the same dimensions and ball pattern pitch as LGA 2011. Basically, the number of pins remains the same while their layout changes. According to the slides, the new design is more efficient as per Intel’s research, and additional wings in the LGA 2011-3 socket help improve package handling.
The slides are courtesy of wccftech.
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#4782684 Posted on: 03/15/2014 10:27 AM
You saw it wrong.
I thought there was two different variants of the chips and that DDR4 was compatible with DDR3 slots. Or did I see it wrong? If so they should have used a different socket name instead of 2011-3. It's miss-leading, a bit. Kind of feels like we are still at the same level (2011 version 3 ^^).
You saw it wrong.
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#4782699 Posted on: 03/15/2014 11:39 AM
Whelp, that's my next platform then. I'll miss you good old X58 chipset based gaming rig, but you are well past your prime and it's time to put you out to pasture. Six rocking cores and quad-channel DDR4 new-hotness and dual x16 PCIe 3.0 slots and all the USB 3.0 and SATA III that I could ever want, here I come. Thank you Intel, thank you very many dollars.
http://blogimages.thescore.com/nhl/files/2013/06/Shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg
Whelp, that's my next platform then. I'll miss you good old X58 chipset based gaming rig, but you are well past your prime and it's time to put you out to pasture. Six rocking cores and quad-channel DDR4 new-hotness and dual x16 PCIe 3.0 slots and all the USB 3.0 and SATA III that I could ever want, here I come. Thank you Intel, thank you very many dollars.
http://blogimages.thescore.com/nhl/files/2013/06/Shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg
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#4782728 Posted on: 03/15/2014 12:43 PM
saving mode activated , time to upgrade my 8320
saving mode activated , time to upgrade my 8320
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#4782747 Posted on: 03/15/2014 01:26 PM
Actually it was AMD who said they're dropping out of the super high end market because they couldn't compete. So yea, we know what AMD can bring.
Nothing.
Yes APUs are not good for gaming now unless you are 4k gamer where GPU is bottleneck or you believe in strong push towards Mantle.
An APU for 4k gaming? Huh? Last I checked, the fastest APU made by AMD is in the PS4, and it can barely run 1080p/30 and on rare occasions 1080p/60.
It runs good on a very specific specialized HSA demo which is designed to show HSA in the best light possible. When I see big gains across the board in a benchmark suite, then i'll agree with you.
The words "cpu" and "futureproof" should never be used in the same sentence. It's almost like you're grasping at anything to make those chips look good. The fact is AMD's current chips are turds. And you're trying to polish it.
I've been running my i7-860 that I paid $200 for almost 4 years ago and it runs any modern game just fine. This is not unique to the FX8350.
I still don't see a reason for me to upgrade. Perhaps for Broadwell. I dunno. It would be nice to have a proper modern graphical bios.
As for DDR4, they should provide up to 50% bonus in bandwidth, 20% decrease in power consumption and mass production price should be around 20% higher than DDR3. I would rather go for HBM which costs twice as much but delivers much higher bandwidth.
I've said it once and i'll continue saying that Mantle will be a short lived APU. It takes a lot of additional work to add mantle to a game, just look at Battlefield 4's extra 3 months. Also, the only way mantle will be used is if AMD pays the developer to add it on because no dev is going to spend an additional few months adding a feature for free, that is only usable on a fraction of 1% of graphics cards on the market. AMD's only got 34% of the discrete graphics market and mantle is limited to only a few cards.
With the coming release of DX12 which will add many performance enhancing features like low level support, you can expect mantle to die off because DirectX is universal to the windows platform.
Please refrain from this kind of insults as you do not even know what AMD can bring to market and you do not want fellow members to take bad look at you in return.
Actually it was AMD who said they're dropping out of the super high end market because they couldn't compete. So yea, we know what AMD can bring.
Nothing.
Yes APUs are not good for gaming now unless you are 4k gamer where GPU is bottleneck or you believe in strong push towards Mantle.
An APU for 4k gaming? Huh? Last I checked, the fastest APU made by AMD is in the PS4, and it can barely run 1080p/30 and on rare occasions 1080p/60.
But... While there is no APU on market which would with any kind of OC beat my old poor i5@4.5GHz in standard operations, there is no questioning about drastic improvements on some fronts and that HSA capable applications like OpenOffice run considerably faster on APUs than i5/i7 CPUs.
It runs good on a very specific specialized HSA demo which is designed to show HSA in the best light possible. When I see big gains across the board in a benchmark suite, then i'll agree with you.
AMD made kind of futureproof FX8350 CPU as at time of its release there were no games capable to use all cores and till now My i5@4,5GHz was better in most of games. (I got it because I did not intend to keep such CPU more than 3 years anyway)
The words "cpu" and "futureproof" should never be used in the same sentence. It's almost like you're grasping at anything to make those chips look good. The fact is AMD's current chips are turds. And you're trying to polish it.
And at time I'll replace it it will still be better in most of games I'll be playing at given time. But FX8350 owners have good CPU which will handle games few years after I'll be forced to replace.
I've been running my i7-860 that I paid $200 for almost 4 years ago and it runs any modern game just fine. This is not unique to the FX8350.
And APUs are similar to that in its own way (not gaming way, but productivity). If AMD can make mobile kaveri soon enough I get one for development.
And I plan to get 6core i5 if that comes by. As HT is still not good enough and only real benefit is from additional L3.
And I plan to get 6core i5 if that comes by. As HT is still not good enough and only real benefit is from additional L3.
I still don't see a reason for me to upgrade. Perhaps for Broadwell. I dunno. It would be nice to have a proper modern graphical bios.
As for DDR4, they should provide up to 50% bonus in bandwidth, 20% decrease in power consumption and mass production price should be around 20% higher than DDR3. I would rather go for HBM which costs twice as much but delivers much higher bandwidth.
But now imagine change in my needs if unreal engine started to support Mantle/DX12 and this powerful CPU would no longer be needed. Intel then can make 12Core+HT CPU and no dog will bark on it. In such case i would be sitting on same CPU for next 3 years or till I burn it from boredom as I'll buy another product from AMD (while under performing, much more interesting to mess with).
I've said it once and i'll continue saying that Mantle will be a short lived APU. It takes a lot of additional work to add mantle to a game, just look at Battlefield 4's extra 3 months. Also, the only way mantle will be used is if AMD pays the developer to add it on because no dev is going to spend an additional few months adding a feature for free, that is only usable on a fraction of 1% of graphics cards on the market. AMD's only got 34% of the discrete graphics market and mantle is limited to only a few cards.
With the coming release of DX12 which will add many performance enhancing features like low level support, you can expect mantle to die off because DirectX is universal to the windows platform.
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#4782758 Posted on: 03/15/2014 01:59 PM
EDIT: Whoops, replied to the last reply but on the wrong page.
EDIT: Whoops, replied to the last reply but on the wrong page.
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#4782762 Posted on: 03/15/2014 02:06 PM
Isn't it possible, or even likely, that the pricing will be in line with the current ivb-e and previous sb-e variants?
IE the cheapest one is 6 core, then there are two 8 cores one k and one x? Meaning that the 8 core would actually be around £400-£450, in the k variant?
If so, this will be a *huge* boost to single socket workstations which previously had to choose between 6 cores at ~4.5ghz + OR 8 core for 4Ghz @ £1500+ (presuming multicore enhancement features on the mobo).
Added to which, the server platforms really do hang around for a while. X79 was a bit gimped thanks to those SATA issues, and the lack of native USB3 has been a problem for a while. Presuming X99 has all the features listed, this looks like a platform that is worth front-loading on. It really can't come soon enough!
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Isn't it possible, or even likely, that the pricing will be in line with the current ivb-e and previous sb-e variants?
IE the cheapest one is 6 core, then there are two 8 cores one k and one x? Meaning that the 8 core would actually be around £400-£450, in the k variant?
If so, this will be a *huge* boost to single socket workstations which previously had to choose between 6 cores at ~4.5ghz + OR 8 core for 4Ghz @ £1500+ (presuming multicore enhancement features on the mobo).
Added to which, the server platforms really do hang around for a while. X79 was a bit gimped thanks to those SATA issues, and the lack of native USB3 has been a problem for a while. Presuming X99 has all the features listed, this looks like a platform that is worth front-loading on. It really can't come soon enough!
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#4783076 Posted on: 03/16/2014 02:41 AM
I hope too that this (with the other news of Intel seeking to support desktop PCs more) it means that we will be seeing a six core 6770k. If so I am going back from High end to Top main stream. I really loved that 4770k I had before the 4930k.
I hope too that this (with the other news of Intel seeking to support desktop PCs more) it means that we will be seeing a six core 6770k. If so I am going back from High end to Top main stream. I really loved that 4770k I had before the 4930k.
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#4783160 Posted on: 03/16/2014 09:09 AM
Tbh for gaming all you need is quad core and decent gpu, you will be able to max out anygame. It is nice however to have a 6/8 core, cant see many games using the extra cores if im honest but still nice to have. I have the 4930k ready but if i didnt have one of those id definitely get an X99 coming from X58. Tbh even a 980x on X58 is still a badass 6 core chip. Ill probably give X99 a miss however.
Tbh for gaming all you need is quad core and decent gpu, you will be able to max out anygame. It is nice however to have a 6/8 core, cant see many games using the extra cores if im honest but still nice to have. I have the 4930k ready but if i didnt have one of those id definitely get an X99 coming from X58. Tbh even a 980x on X58 is still a badass 6 core chip. Ill probably give X99 a miss however.
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#4783171 Posted on: 03/16/2014 10:09 AM
Ooops posted in error!
Ooops posted in error!
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#4783224 Posted on: 03/16/2014 01:24 PM
Only upgraded my X58 rig cos the current one came along at a decent price.
Tbh for gaming all you need is quad core and decent gpu, you will be able to max out anygame. It is nice however to have a 6/8 core, cant see many games using the extra cores if im honest but still nice to have. I have the 4930k ready but if i didnt have one of those id definitely get an X99 coming from X58. Tbh even a 980x on X58 is still a badass 6 core chip. Ill probably give X99 a miss however.
Only upgraded my X58 rig cos the current one came along at a decent price.
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#4783238 Posted on: 03/16/2014 02:17 PM
I've said it once and i'll continue saying that Mantle will be a short lived APU. It takes a lot of additional work to add mantle to a game, just look at Battlefield 4's extra 3 months. Also, the only way mantle will be used is if AMD pays the developer to add it on because no dev is going to spend an additional few months adding a feature for free, that is only usable on a fraction of 1% of graphics cards on the market. AMD's only got 34% of the discrete graphics market and mantle is limited to only a few cards.
With the coming release of DX12 which will add many performance enhancing features like low level support, you can expect mantle to die off because DirectX is universal to the windows platform.
i actually agree with this, and i do not understand why people view mantle as the holy grail especially with the new direct3d around the corner.
i respect amd for doing it. microsoft would have probably sat on their asses a few years more if amd wouldn't have pushed this initiative forward. but mantle will likely be short lived.
as you said, mandle requires more work, and we don't yet know if nvidia cards support it properly. and it will likely require new drivers, which we don't know if nvidia is willing to do. direct3d 12 will almost surely be a superset of the existing direct3d, which will make development much more streamlined. it makes more sense for developers to hop into the next direct3d.
alas, we will see.
I've said it once and i'll continue saying that Mantle will be a short lived APU. It takes a lot of additional work to add mantle to a game, just look at Battlefield 4's extra 3 months. Also, the only way mantle will be used is if AMD pays the developer to add it on because no dev is going to spend an additional few months adding a feature for free, that is only usable on a fraction of 1% of graphics cards on the market. AMD's only got 34% of the discrete graphics market and mantle is limited to only a few cards.
With the coming release of DX12 which will add many performance enhancing features like low level support, you can expect mantle to die off because DirectX is universal to the windows platform.
i actually agree with this, and i do not understand why people view mantle as the holy grail especially with the new direct3d around the corner.
i respect amd for doing it. microsoft would have probably sat on their asses a few years more if amd wouldn't have pushed this initiative forward. but mantle will likely be short lived.
as you said, mandle requires more work, and we don't yet know if nvidia cards support it properly. and it will likely require new drivers, which we don't know if nvidia is willing to do. direct3d 12 will almost surely be a superset of the existing direct3d, which will make development much more streamlined. it makes more sense for developers to hop into the next direct3d.
alas, we will see.
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#4783639 Posted on: 03/17/2014 07:27 AM
I've said it once and i'll continue saying that Mantle will be a short lived APU. It takes a lot of additional work to add mantle to a game, just look at Battlefield 4's extra 3 months. Also, the only way mantle will be used is if AMD pays the developer to add it on because no dev is going to spend an additional few months adding a feature for free, that is only usable on a fraction of 1% of graphics cards on the market. AMD's only got 34% of the discrete graphics market and mantle is limited to only a few cards.
With the coming release of DX12 which will add many performance enhancing features like low level support, you can expect mantle to die off because DirectX is universal to the windows platform.
There is no way Mantle will be short lived. Not with both consoles sporting AMD.
It will be around for quite a long time. That does not mean it will be used by everyone, sort of like Glide for 3Dfx.
Not everybody owned a Voodoo from 3Dfx, but Glide hung around till 3Dfx was no more, and people still use Glide wrappers today.
Short lived and uber popular are two very different things.
In other words, anybody on an AMD card with GCN that can take advantage of and use Mantle should and will. That's a lot more than you think.
I've said it once and i'll continue saying that Mantle will be a short lived APU. It takes a lot of additional work to add mantle to a game, just look at Battlefield 4's extra 3 months. Also, the only way mantle will be used is if AMD pays the developer to add it on because no dev is going to spend an additional few months adding a feature for free, that is only usable on a fraction of 1% of graphics cards on the market. AMD's only got 34% of the discrete graphics market and mantle is limited to only a few cards.
With the coming release of DX12 which will add many performance enhancing features like low level support, you can expect mantle to die off because DirectX is universal to the windows platform.
There is no way Mantle will be short lived. Not with both consoles sporting AMD.
It will be around for quite a long time. That does not mean it will be used by everyone, sort of like Glide for 3Dfx.
Not everybody owned a Voodoo from 3Dfx, but Glide hung around till 3Dfx was no more, and people still use Glide wrappers today.
Short lived and uber popular are two very different things.
In other words, anybody on an AMD card with GCN that can take advantage of and use Mantle should and will. That's a lot more than you think.
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#4783764 Posted on: 03/17/2014 02:12 PM
Yeah i really do love x58 because although its old it still does a great job.
Only upgraded my X58 rig cos the current one came along at a decent price.
Yeah i really do love x58 because although its old it still does a great job.
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#4783786 Posted on: 03/17/2014 03:32 PM
And far more flexible OCing.
Yeah i really do love x58 because although its old it still does a great job.
And far more flexible OCing.
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Yes, I'm definitely looking to upgrade from SB this year. Will be watching this closely. Hopefully it will provide a reasonable performance boost!