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Intel Has to Delay Patches for new Spectre-NG Vulnerabilities
Last week we reported about Spectre-NG, eight new vulnerabilities similar to Spectre, of which four tagged as critical have been detected. Intel would have been working behind scenes on patching the new vulnerabilities, as it now seems it will take at least another two weeks before Intel can release the initial patches.
The news is reported today by Heise in Germany and is based on sources that are familiar with Intel's patch plans. From the looks of it, Intel is not capable of finishing up the patches before the disclosure publication date of what the new vulnerabilities mean and are. Up-to-now, any and all technical information on the Spectre-NG variants are disclosed. Likely all detected and to be published by Google Project Zero.
Intel set a new target for initial patches and firmware updates at the 21st of May, however also indicated they might not make that date and if so, requested technical disclosure until July 10th 2018. New microcode updates are due to be released on this date. At the same time, technical information on the nature of at least two of the Specter NG vulnerabilities are likely to be published. Heise states that a wide number of systems would be affected by the leaks including pretty much Core-i processors, Xeon variants, as well as Pentium and Celeron proc based Atom CPUs released ever since 2013. Later in August, it will address and patch the most serious leak that involves virtualized environments like cloud hosts, making it possible to obtain secure information directly from the CPU. The patch date for that specific vulnerability would be August 14 according to Heise. AMD has indicated it is investigating all reports. It is completely unclear whether the company was affected by the vulnerabilities as well.
To secure the architecture, Intel plans a combination of hardware updates in the form of new microcode and software improvements that the operating system manufacturers have to implement.
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#5544549 Posted on: 05/07/2018 03:56 PM
What happened to the "24 hour response time and then we release the information to the public"? :p
Making something safe is hard, but they better step up their game and release the patches already.
And goodbye Intel performance lead ahahah.
What happened to the "24 hour response time and then we release the information to the public"? :p
Making something safe is hard, but they better step up their game and release the patches already.
And goodbye Intel performance lead ahahah.
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#5544550 Posted on: 05/07/2018 03:58 PM
Have a feeling we've not seen the last of this.
Have a feeling we've not seen the last of this.
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#5544560 Posted on: 05/07/2018 05:08 PM
LOL, Intel gave us tick and tock "upgrades" for each new gen for past 10 years, and now with each vulnerabilities patch they are goin tick and tock backwards lol.
If this trend continuous- Hilbert should make "AMD FX-8370 comeback" review and it could be really funny review
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LOL, Intel gave us tick and tock "upgrades" for each new gen for past 10 years, and now with each vulnerabilities patch they are goin tick and tock backwards lol.
If this trend continuous- Hilbert should make "AMD FX-8370 comeback" review and it could be really funny review
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#5544562 Posted on: 05/07/2018 05:15 PM
This has been theorized a hundred times over. Even a decade ago it was thought that Intel was creating NSA backdoors; this is nothing new or surprising. There's no definitive proof that these vulnerabilities are related, but it's easy to assume they are.
Also, not every CPU is affected by these vulnerabilities, because:
1. There are a handful of architectures that don't appear to be affected at all (such as MIPS).
2. Of the CPUs that are vulnerable, not all of them have all vulnerabilities; Intel just happens to have the most serious and easily-exploitable ones.
3. There are plenty of devices that don't have enough input control to be affected.
I think it makes sense - the last time they released a patch for Spectre and Meltdown there were functionality regressions. They're making sure that what they're doing doesn't cause problems. Delaying the patch for a few days is not enough to help anybody's "ghosting" efforts.
*facepalm* the only thing that's unreal is this "Shadow Goverment" you speak of. But let's suppose I'm wrong - why do you care? What exactly are they going to do that's of any concern to you?
My theory : This spectre was created by the NSA. It is not only for computers but for any device with a micro-processor. The idea is to a create a ghost inside every device around the world that can be traced easily and efficiently.
This has been theorized a hundred times over. Even a decade ago it was thought that Intel was creating NSA backdoors; this is nothing new or surprising. There's no definitive proof that these vulnerabilities are related, but it's easy to assume they are.
Also, not every CPU is affected by these vulnerabilities, because:
1. There are a handful of architectures that don't appear to be affected at all (such as MIPS).
2. Of the CPUs that are vulnerable, not all of them have all vulnerabilities; Intel just happens to have the most serious and easily-exploitable ones.
3. There are plenty of devices that don't have enough input control to be affected.
Intel is delaying the patch ? makes no sense, unless Intel knew directly what these vulnerabilities where for, ghosting people of interest, aka everyone.
I think it makes sense - the last time they released a patch for Spectre and Meltdown there were functionality regressions. They're making sure that what they're doing doesn't cause problems. Delaying the patch for a few days is not enough to help anybody's "ghosting" efforts.
Not to get too political, but the world should be thankingTrump right now for taking on the Shadow Government bullshit. Trump has the Shadow Government so scared it is unreal.
*facepalm* the only thing that's unreal is this "Shadow Goverment" you speak of. But let's suppose I'm wrong - why do you care? What exactly are they going to do that's of any concern to you?
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#5544563 Posted on: 05/07/2018 05:16 PM
Delayed because they have nothing to put in his place.What new security holes to work with their cpus?
Sky-Kaby-Coffee Lake are builted together with Windows 10.So think about the consequences working together.Mass surveillance.
Delayed because they have nothing to put in his place.What new security holes to work with their cpus?
Sky-Kaby-Coffee Lake are builted together with Windows 10.So think about the consequences working together.Mass surveillance.
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#5544565 Posted on: 05/07/2018 05:18 PM
It would better change the name of the company and the brand..., ha, ha Spectrum processor!
It would better change the name of the company and the brand..., ha, ha
Spectrum processor!
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#5544571 Posted on: 05/07/2018 05:47 PM
Spectral recessor?
It would better change the name of the company and the brand..., ha, ha Spectrum processor!
Spectrum processor!Spectral recessor?
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#5544573 Posted on: 05/07/2018 06:09 PM
For me the main concern is that these exploits are known for the intel hardware designers for at least 4-5 years. I cannot imagine why they did not fix these exploits. What is the cause? What was their purpose?
For me the main concern is that these exploits are known for the intel hardware designers for at least 4-5 years. I cannot imagine why they did not fix these exploits. What is the cause? What was their purpose?
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#5544574 Posted on: 05/07/2018 06:09 PM
Rectal processor, because i think we all feel like we have been shafted , pardon my French.
Rectal processor, because i think we all feel like we have been shafted , pardon my French.
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#5544575 Posted on: 05/07/2018 06:11 PM
Now I really wish one of the exploits were called "rectum" with the slogan "a different kind of backdoor".
Well the performance losses would be a major reason. Considering Intel hasn't really had any significant performance-per-clock improvements since Haswell, it'd look pretty bad for them to release a new product with worse performance. And then what would they do to explain that? Security purposes? Because then that suggests previous products weren't secure. So to me, it makes sense Intel would intentionally sweep the problems under the rug and hope nobody discovers them.
Rectal processor, because i think we all feel like we have been shafted , pardon my French.
Now I really wish one of the exploits were called "rectum" with the slogan "a different kind of backdoor".
For me the main concern is that these exploits are known for the intel hardware designers for at least 4-5 years. I cannot imagine why they did not fix these exploits. What is the cause? What was their purpose?
Well the performance losses would be a major reason. Considering Intel hasn't really had any significant performance-per-clock improvements since Haswell, it'd look pretty bad for them to release a new product with worse performance. And then what would they do to explain that? Security purposes? Because then that suggests previous products weren't secure. So to me, it makes sense Intel would intentionally sweep the problems under the rug and hope nobody discovers them.
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#5544576 Posted on: 05/07/2018 06:14 PM
^^^Intel's new Rectal Processor, because when you want to feel like you have been shafted, make it Intel inside. :p
^^^Intel's new Rectal Processor, because when you want to feel like you have been shafted, make it Intel inside. :p
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#5544578 Posted on: 05/07/2018 06:17 PM
Don't worry folks, INTEL will fix this by stealing more talented AMD workers and they will pull a monopoly tactic and will be back in business.
Don't worry folks, INTEL will fix this by stealing more talented AMD workers and they will pull a monopoly tactic and will be back in business.
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#5544583 Posted on: 05/07/2018 07:30 PM
We laugh hard here,but the guys who take care of a data center,web server-mail,etc, they dont.They will have hard times with the Intel Xeon cpus.
If Intel will mitigate AVX/2,they're doomed.
We laugh hard here,but the guys who take care of a data center,web server-mail,etc, they dont.They will have hard times with the Intel Xeon cpus.
If Intel will mitigate AVX/2,they're doomed.
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#5544587 Posted on: 05/07/2018 08:19 PM
Right! I want my money back. Lemon...
Right! I want my money back. Lemon...
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Ok, not going to install anything related to it, so they can postpone it indefinitely