Intel has problems with 10nm and moves volume production towards 2019

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/27/2018 07:49 AM | source: | 20 comment(s)

In extra notes that originate from Intels quarterly figures it looks like Intel is fighting 10nm production, according to the publication of the quarterly figures of the company it will start production in 2019.

Intel will, however, be releasing release 10nm processors this year, however only in small quantities reports dutch website tweakers. High volume shipments has been moved towards 2019, a fact that can be read back in notes of the quarterly figures. Intel started in September 2014 with the release of its 14nm processors, although the mass production of 14nm started in 2015. It is not known what causes the delay of the 10nm production.

The problems did not prevent a good quarterly result. Intel's turnover increased by 13 percent to 16.1 billion dollars. Intel expects sales growth of 10 percent over the next quarter compared to last year. For the full year of 2018, the company expects to spend $ 2.5 billion more than previously thought, totaling $ 67.5 billion. As far as the revenue from PC chips is concerned, however, the company expects turnover to remain the same as last year.

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Embra
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#5541453 Posted on: 04/27/2018 01:10 PM

They have actually had problems with 10 nm since last year.

Maybe sell off their foundries?? Probably not, but is seems expensive to run them right now.

nevcairiel
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#5541478 Posted on: 04/27/2018 02:10 PM

And AMD will be 7nm when Zen2 is released next year. Always thought Intel would have the advantage with their own foundries, but seems they've slipped a bit behind.

AMDs "7nm" is probably about the same size as Intels 10nm, though.

Embra
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#5541480 Posted on: 04/27/2018 02:16 PM

AMDs "7nm" is probably about the same size as Intels 10nm, though.

But is seems to be working.

reix2x
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#5541495 Posted on: 04/27/2018 02:57 PM

Considering benefits of 10nm, I think intel has other problems which are bigger.
- They can already sell CPUs w/ 5GHz turbo clock, 10nm will just change number of cores which get there.
- 10nm will not improve IPC, and as AMD has it better, they'll catch to intel w/ clock and as such per core performance will be better on AMD's side.
- intel is losing market sentiment left and right as AMD is building awareness (people outside tech crowd are finally recognizing AMD) => Producing chips cheaper on 10nm will not mean much if their sales go down.
- intel's chips are either bottlenecked by RAM clock or not (mostly not as people can get fast memory these days), AMD's CPUs gain additional performance with faster memory due to InfinityFabric sync. With current memory development, intel is not gaining, but AMD does.

Intel does not need new shiny fab, it needs new CPU design which fits in current technological environment.

Because I predict that AMD's Zen2 will clock 4.5GHz+ and will support 4GHz memories at launch time, I can see 10% performance uplift just from those 2 things over Zen+. Then internal improvements of Zen2...

Intel simply needs to invest more into CPU architecture than to Fab.

Probably they don't want to invest that much in a new PC architecture, they rather prefer to invest in fabrication methods that will improve all their product range so they can keep pushing themselves in datacenter market.

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#5541498 Posted on: 04/27/2018 03:02 PM

Damn. I was hoping to buy a new laptop later this summer =( I guess I'll have to wait another year.

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