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Intel Core i7-8709G with Vega M Graphics

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 12/22/2017 04:57 PM | source: | 26 comment(s)
Intel Core i7-8709G with Vega M Graphics

A video surfaced on the web today, in it a System information scan from Futuremark and showing, a quad-core and eight threaded Intel Core i7-8709G with Vega M Graphics. And according to chatter on the web, a six-core part assisted by a Vega IGP is also in the works.

Yup, you read that right, an Intel Core i7-8709G with Vega M Graphics. That means up-to-now Core i7-8709G and Core i7-8809G are names that have emerged, a quad-core Intel processor with AMD Radeon IGP, based on Vega architecture with a product ID of 694C:C0. The hybrid solution is called a multi-chip module, combining an Intel processor and an AMD (Vega) graphics unit. Have a peek at the quick video as posted by Thai PC and tech vlogger "TUM APISAK":

 

 
The 8709G would come with a Turbo up to 3.9 GHz, the base clock seems to be 3.1 GHz. There is hardly any information about the GPU clock, some tools have read 1.0 to 1.2 GHz, HBM2 is very likely used, as the memory clock frequency is reported back at 800 MHz. Earlier on a photo surfaced online showing the massively huge MCM design. On the left-hand side of the photo, you can see the Intel processor and to the left, the larger AMD GPU with the HBM2 stack. 

 

 
A 14nm Vega architecture was the choice for the GPU, Intel also mentioned the usage of HBM2. Earlier this year Intel already announced their Embedded Multi-Die Interconnect Bridge (EMIB) making these things (a second die) possible, for modular builds. The Intel and the AMD part communicate over what basically is a PCIe Gen 3.0 bridge wired in-between each other. The first products based on MCMs will likely be embedded products and laptops, they should launch by Q1 2018.







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msroadkill612
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#5503969 Posted on: 12/23/2017 08:41 PM
A well hidden but v important difference between this and the amd RR apu is the more elegant architecture of amd.

this intel rig tacks a gpu with dedicated hbm cache onto their ~cpu via their version of infinity fabric.

RR however, uses a dedicated cache controller as a hub to manage all cache resources as a pool - system memory/gpu cache (if any)/fast nvme storage.

The intel hbm2 is simply dedicated to the gpu. RR treats it as part of an intelligently managed, layered cache pool, available to either processor. RR processors only use cache VIA the central cache controller HBCC "hub".

It seems awfully wasteful of intel to dedicate so much processor space to an igp which is not used at all?

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#5503973 Posted on: 12/23/2017 09:00 PM
Man makes me wonder if Intel will make ultrabook and Laptop cpus with the AMD vega IGPU because to me that platform would benefit from that vs a desktop CPU because inside of laptops that only have an igpu instead of a dedicated card would benefit from something like this because the user could use it for some light gaming on the side and having a good IGPU would help with video editing as well. Also I can see this being used very well in Apple Macbook pros if users still purchase those that is. Also this could benefit the desktop user who cannot afford a dedicated GPU right away if the IGPU performance is better than a 1050/1050ti/1060 3GB and Rx 470/480/570/580 from AMD since those cards are the mid ranged cards from those companies. Then the User could game on the IGPU until they could save up for one of the Vega cards from AMD or a 1070 ti/1080 or 1080 ti from Nvidia.

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#5504516 Posted on: 12/26/2017 11:20 AM
Yes this product (as show: desktop motherboard) will not compete against laptop MXM.They better don't try to use it in a possible "gamer laptop" it will be another disaster for AMD reputation among gamers.

Power efficiency? Compared to what? Intel current iGPUs? :rolleyes:

I think Intel made a good deal: externalize all iGPU related dev and hire the ex-exec in charge of AMD GPUs to handle the whole thing (MCM design).Intel own iGPUs were only usable in office tasks.

Yes, this is no where near as power efficient as an Intel iGPU, I fully agree, but its a LOT better than an Intel CPU with an Nvidia MXM.
Also, Apple won't be touching anything Nvidia any time soon...
I really beleive this is for Apple, and most probably, Only Apple.
Probably their next MacBook Pro's.
Edit : They might stick it into a Gaming NUC though. Thats possible, with an external PSU Brick.

Yes, intels iGPU's are terrible at gaming. Really terrible. :)

Intel made a seriously good deal, getting Raja, but he has a lot of work to do, even though the bar is set very very low ;) (Intel's GPU vs the rest of the world).

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#5508252 Posted on: 01/07/2018 08:58 PM
Intel desperate to have relevancy in the VR-capable mobile devices of 2018. This is not a licensing deal, Intel purchased the parts from AMD because they were better performance than Nvidia's. In the future we know Intel will replace this with their own GPU. I'm betting that the mobile Vega part is going to be incredible. Even the little 2500u with 8CUs and 15W TDP delivers DX12 FPS equivalent to approximately 1/5th of my Liquid Vega 64. Maybe we finally have the primitive shaders operational in the new drivers.

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#5508267 Posted on: 01/07/2018 09:58 PM
There are benefits to having an intel+mxm combo like separate cooling, power, overclocking as well as upgradability/replacement, similar to the benefits with desktops.

Also, since the GTX980 was made available for laptops, Nvidia's mobile gpus actually offer similar performance to their desktop counterparts and no longer have the "m" (for mobile part).

Products like the i7 8709G will entirely depend on price and I don't think it's going to be cheap. However, considering Nvidia's laptop offerings are quite expensive, then, this is much needed competition.

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