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Intel Cascade Lake AP: 48 cores with 12-channel DDR4 in multi-chip package
Some interesting news this morning, Remember a while ago Intel was criticizing AMD, 'glueing' chips together? Well, meet Cascade Lake AP, cores, 12 memory channels - Intel Cascade Lake Advanced Performance, and yes it has two CPU dies on one chip.
The Cascade Lake AP procs will be the Intel answer towards AMD Threadripper. Intel packs two 24-core processors with their six-channel memory interface onto a package. As with AMD this doubles (or quadrupled for AMD) thereby all technical specs. Not only the cores but especially the memory interface is also worthy mentioning, 12 channels from Intel are rather shocking in this market. Intel has announced the Cascade Lake Advanced Processors and has announced the delivery of the 48 core server CPUs for 2019.
Inter-chip communication will be addressed by an Ultra Path Interconnect (UPI). Intel introduced this with Skylake-SP and eliminated many vulnerabilities of QPI. At that time, CPUs with 3 UPI links were already explicitly intended for the use of systems with two CPUs. Accordingly, it can be assumed that the CPUs are also based exactly on these models and the additional UPI link is branched off directly for communication on the package.
The socket for this chip is gonna be big alright. The twelve memory channels will require many more pins than the socket 3647 can offer so far. A single 28-core die with 6-channel memory interface already is roughly 700 mm² in size and Intel is still at 14nm. The chip would be available somewhere next year.
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#5603468 Posted on: 11/05/2018 10:48 AM
First it was soldering now this...
Funny how much crap they can talk and then suddenly its ok.
First it was soldering now this...
Funny how much crap they can talk and then suddenly its ok.
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#5603472 Posted on: 11/05/2018 11:25 AM
It's the same Intel that said in the beginning of 2017 that they have perfect trust in Kaby Lake's performance against the imminent AMD Ryzen. Then half a year later they announced Coffee Lake, incompatible with Kaby Lake mobo wise to boot. Intel is about as trustworthy as the former Sudan oil minister who had to flee and now needs my help to transfer 100 millions out of the country, 5% of which I can acquire if I first send him 2000 euros for the necessary expenses.
It's the same Intel that said in the beginning of 2017 that they have perfect trust in Kaby Lake's performance against the imminent AMD Ryzen. Then half a year later they announced Coffee Lake, incompatible with Kaby Lake mobo wise to boot. Intel is about as trustworthy as the former Sudan oil minister who had to flee and now needs my help to transfer 100 millions out of the country, 5% of which I can acquire if I first send him 2000 euros for the necessary expenses.
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#5603476 Posted on: 11/05/2018 11:56 AM
Aaaah you're a funny guy
Intel is about as trustworthy as the former Sudan oil minister who had to flee and now needs my help to transfer 100 millions out of the country, 5% of which I can acquire if I first send him 2000 euros for the necessary expenses.
Aaaah you're a funny guy
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#5603484 Posted on: 11/05/2018 01:01 PM
Intel's HQ: We have a problem - AMD's EPYC 32C makes us look Bad!
Intel's Marketing Department: I have an IDEA! Let's take 4U 4X24C Xeon Platimun and make it 2U! We gonna have "2x24C CPU" +2x6ch Memory to crash AMD'd 32C EPYC!
Intel's HQ: Well Done! Your department just saved our A*S Again!
Intel's Marketing Department: Thank you, We worked very hard for it!
Intel's HQ: We have a problem - AMD's EPYC 32C makes us look Bad!
Intel's Marketing Department: I have an IDEA! Let's take 4U 4X24C Xeon Platimun and make it 2U! We gonna have "2x24C CPU" +2x6ch Memory to crash AMD'd 32C EPYC!
Intel's HQ: Well Done! Your department just saved our A*S Again!
Intel's Marketing Department: Thank you, We worked very hard for it!
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#5603485 Posted on: 11/05/2018 01:03 PM
Only makes me think they're reaching for the last straws they can grab... everything Intel does is against what they criticised about competition's products as long as they were leading, now that things have changed they just do the same that AMD does, only with charging 40% more. More cores, soldered heatspreaders, etc. etc. pp. it's all there.
Only makes me think they're reaching for the last straws they can grab... everything Intel does is against what they criticised about competition's products as long as they were leading, now that things have changed they just do the same that AMD does, only with charging 40% more. More cores, soldered heatspreaders, etc. etc. pp. it's all there.
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#5603489 Posted on: 11/05/2018 01:38 PM
Thats matter of opinion, only part where intel might have advantage is low resolution gaming but that come at cost.
When 1st ryzen launched, it outclased intel by miles because it offered twice as many cores at half of costs.
Right now, it would still be better deal to buy 2700x and replace it next year with 3700x for almost same cost as 9900k.
I don't care about 3% IPC difference in CPU bound cases as long as I get better(longer) platform support, not to mention that in realistic daily usage slightly higher IPC and higher clocks hardly make any difference.
And that's before even considering that 2950x cost only like $200 more than 9900k and offers A LOT more performance except in gaming where its just a bit slower @3440x1440 which I am using.
Also still only available version is Tray with shorter warranty.
Sure must be hard to keep opinions of intel even on unrealeated posts. However most can be quoted as "ryzen 3rd gen will finally have ipc to match intel" from 2017. That is my response. Still not a fanboy though. Basically saying touting Ryzen 1st-"2nd" gen makes no sence to most intel users.
Thats matter of opinion, only part where intel might have advantage is low resolution gaming but that come at cost.
When 1st ryzen launched, it outclased intel by miles because it offered twice as many cores at half of costs.
Right now, it would still be better deal to buy 2700x and replace it next year with 3700x for almost same cost as 9900k.
I don't care about 3% IPC difference in CPU bound cases as long as I get better(longer) platform support, not to mention that in realistic daily usage slightly higher IPC and higher clocks hardly make any difference.
And that's before even considering that 2950x cost only like $200 more than 9900k and offers A LOT more performance except in gaming where its just a bit slower @3440x1440 which I am using.
Also still only available version is Tray with shorter warranty.
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#5603490 Posted on: 11/05/2018 01:39 PM
Copycat! ... haha.
Well, AMD had the jump on what will be the cpu models going forward. With die shrinks coming very close to the end, this makes sense until a new path is adopted.
Copycat! ... haha.
Well, AMD had the jump on what will be the cpu models going forward. With die shrinks coming very close to the end, this makes sense until a new path is adopted.
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#5603491 Posted on: 11/05/2018 01:43 PM
What's the name of Intel's next gen?
Staple lake?
Glue lake?
Refreshing lake?
Moooooooon riveeeeeeer!
What's the name of Intel's next gen?
Staple lake?
Glue lake?
Refreshing lake?
Moooooooon riveeeeeeer!
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#5603494 Posted on: 11/05/2018 02:00 PM
And then... Next EPYC gona crush that lol
And then... Next EPYC gona crush that lol
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#5603495 Posted on: 11/05/2018 02:01 PM
What's the name of Intel's next gen?
Staple lake?
Glue lake?
Refreshing lake?
Moooooooon riveeeeeeer!
14+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nm Lake :'V
What's the name of Intel's next gen?
Staple lake?
Glue lake?
Refreshing lake?
Moooooooon riveeeeeeer!
14+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ nm Lake :'V
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#5603497 Posted on: 11/05/2018 02:19 PM
What? Where? How? Did I miss something in last few years?
Because Ryzen's IPC is around intel's. That's if you read IPC as what it was till intel tried to change its meaning into something really stupid.
So, next time you talk IPC, try to compare chips at same clock.
Sure must be hard to keep opinions of intel even on unrealeated posts. However most can be quoted as "ryzen 3rd gen will finally have ipc to match intel" from 2017. That is my response. Still not a fanboy though. Basically saying touting Ryzen 1st-"2nd" gen makes no sence to most intel users.
What? Where? How? Did I miss something in last few years?
Because Ryzen's IPC is around intel's. That's if you read IPC as what it was till intel tried to change its meaning into something really stupid.
So, next time you talk IPC, try to compare chips at same clock.
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#5603498 Posted on: 11/05/2018 02:21 PM
What's the name of Intel's next gen?
Staple lake?
Glue lake?
Refreshing lake?
Moooooooon riveeeeeeer!
Probably Molten lake, given temps they are starting to reach and 350W+ likely TDP
What? Where? How? Did I miss something in last few years?
Because Ryzen's IPC is around intel's. That's if you read IPC as what it was till intel tried to change its meaning into something really stupid.
So, next time you talk IPC, try to compare chips at same clock.
Should also note that IPC is not constant, it vary between applications.
What's the name of Intel's next gen?
Staple lake?
Glue lake?
Refreshing lake?
Moooooooon riveeeeeeer!
Probably Molten lake, given temps they are starting to reach and 350W+ likely TDP
What? Where? How? Did I miss something in last few years?
Because Ryzen's IPC is around intel's. That's if you read IPC as what it was till intel tried to change its meaning into something really stupid.
So, next time you talk IPC, try to compare chips at same clock.
Should also note that IPC is not constant, it vary between applications.
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#5603504 Posted on: 11/05/2018 02:45 PM
So a pre move for the announcement of AMD tomorrow?
So a pre move for the announcement of AMD tomorrow?
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#5603505 Posted on: 11/05/2018 02:52 PM
So Intel are connecting two of their already monolithic dies together? I thought the whole point of going for an MCM construction method was to improve yields, and reduce cost, while maintaining performance? Seems they've thrown out 2 of the 3 principles there for the sake of the third.
What information do we have in this interconnect? Would certainly be interesting to see if they've been able to pull off Infinity Fabric "Intel Edition" without infringing on any patents.
And then we have a 2x 48c dual socket system being compared to a 32c,not really the greatest comparison to try make there Intel.
The footnotes are especially interesting "may not reflect all publicly available security updates" Take from that what you will. But £5 says they're not running any of them.
So Intel are connecting two of their already monolithic dies together? I thought the whole point of going for an MCM construction method was to improve yields, and reduce cost, while maintaining performance? Seems they've thrown out 2 of the 3 principles there for the sake of the third.
What information do we have in this interconnect? Would certainly be interesting to see if they've been able to pull off Infinity Fabric "Intel Edition" without infringing on any patents.
And then we have a 2x 48c dual socket system being compared to a 32c,not really the greatest comparison to try make there Intel.
The footnotes are especially interesting "may not reflect all publicly available security updates" Take from that what you will. But £5 says they're not running any of them.
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