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Intel Cannon Lake Mobile Processors This Year?
While it's not exactly a surprize as we mentioned this a couple of times already Intel last week confirmed it on their technology and manufacturing day, their new 14nm ++ process. Intel also announced that they would start shipping their new 10nm based mobility processors later this year.
So Coffee Lake is the next 14nm CPU design after Kaby Lake bringing six-core / 12-thread processors into high-end laptops and standard desktops for the first time. Then late 2017 Intel would shrink Kaby Lake down to a 10nm node, these are Cannonlake processors. Earlier rumors stated that the new 10nm process would bring Intel a whopping 40% performance improvement. However, the performance first generation of 10nm based is actually expected to be lower than the 14nm++ based processors due to being limited towards low powered mobile chips. Intel has already waved a 10nm Cannon Lake chip around at CES in January this year. But the path to 10nm seems to be a difficult one. The biggest improvement on the new 10nm process will be low power consumption and thus improved transistor density. Intel’s 10 nm process delivers up to 25 percent better performance or 45 percent lower power than the previous 14 nm technology.
Intel has stated that their eighth generation desktop processors would be based on an improvised 14nm process so we can expect the 10nm based (Cannon-Lake) desktop CPUs being perhaps being marketed as the ninth generation desktop processors. As with Kaby Lake, we’l likely see Coffee Lake first in low-power laptops and 2-in-1s, then on the desktop in 2017. There may come a point where you have a choice of a Cannon Lake or Coffee Lake processor. Right now, it is way too early to say which will be the one to buy.
Next Gen Intel Cannon Lake 15% faster and again a 14nm processor - 02/10/2017 05:37 PM
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#5416637 Posted on: 04/05/2017 08:38 PM
Think about it for a sec.
25% lower performance would be real measly for a full node shrink.
Think about it for a sec.
25% lower performance would be real measly for a full node shrink.
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#5416641 Posted on: 04/05/2017 08:46 PM
I'll read up and check the news-item from Aritra in a second. He probably misinterpreted the chart.
I'll read up and check the news-item from Aritra in a second. He probably misinterpreted the chart.
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#5416648 Posted on: 04/05/2017 08:54 PM
Intel should completely open up their fabs to everyone and pocket all that sweet TSMC money.
Intel should completely open up their fabs to everyone and pocket all that sweet TSMC money.
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#5416664 Posted on: 04/05/2017 09:41 PM
My question is: What's the best guess for when we'll actually be able to buy laptops with tech beyond the current Kaby Lake? Dec 2017? Feb 2018? Trying to plan...
My question is: What's the best guess for when we'll actually be able to buy laptops with tech beyond the current Kaby Lake? Dec 2017? Feb 2018? Trying to plan...
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#5416684 Posted on: 04/05/2017 10:29 PM
Finally some news from Intel.
I hope they're cooking some new processor architecture too, current 4 cores are great but have their limits. We want more cores!
Finally some news from Intel.
I hope they're cooking some new processor architecture too, current 4 cores are great but have their limits. We want more cores!
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#5416750 Posted on: 04/06/2017 02:36 AM
I would like to see Intel deploy Cannon Lake for tablets with more improvements to the igpu.
I would like to see Intel deploy Cannon Lake for tablets with more improvements to the igpu.
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#5416775 Posted on: 04/06/2017 06:00 AM
That would be easy to do. I have not seen worse product graphs in years.
I'll read up and check the news-item from Aritra in a second. He probably misinterpreted the chart.
That would be easy to do. I have not seen worse product graphs in years.
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#5416794 Posted on: 04/06/2017 07:22 AM
Yay maybe now we'll finally get some reasonably priced 6 core i7's from Intel with i5's getting hyperthreading.
Yay maybe now we'll finally get some reasonably priced 6 core i7's from Intel with i5's getting hyperthreading.
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#5416806 Posted on: 04/06/2017 08:44 AM
Finally some news from Intel.
I hope they're cooking some new processor architecture too, current 4 cores are great but have their limits. We want more cores!
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
If you are in 1% of mega-pro users - then I will probably understand, if you are in 10% of gamers - I will doubt, because there are only a few games (and fewer planned) which indeed use more than 4 cores... if you in 89% of other PC users, then 4 cores is more than enough for anything...
I don't mind Intel and AMD releasing 6-8-10-12 multicore chips, it is just that advantage of such chips for ordinary users is absent at best.
Personally I would prefer 10nm, better efficiency and per-core performance, rather than more cores.
Finally some news from Intel.
I hope they're cooking some new processor architecture too, current 4 cores are great but have their limits. We want more cores!
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
If you are in 1% of mega-pro users - then I will probably understand, if you are in 10% of gamers - I will doubt, because there are only a few games (and fewer planned) which indeed use more than 4 cores... if you in 89% of other PC users, then 4 cores is more than enough for anything...
I don't mind Intel and AMD releasing 6-8-10-12 multicore chips, it is just that advantage of such chips for ordinary users is absent at best.
Personally I would prefer 10nm, better efficiency and per-core performance, rather than more cores.
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#5416810 Posted on: 04/06/2017 08:50 AM
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
If you are in 1% of mega-pro users - then I will probably understand, if you are in 10% of gamers - I will doubt, because there are only a few games (and fewer planned) which indeed use more than 4 cores... if you in 89% of other PC users, then 4 cores is more than enough for anything...
I don't mind Intel and AMD releasing 6-8-10-12 multicore chips, it is just that advantage of such chips for ordinary users is absent at best.
Personally I would prefer 10nm, better efficiency and per-core performance, rather than more cores.
Install Battlefield 1, play multiplayer on 64 man map. Become that 1% of mega-pro users who need more than 4 cores.
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
If you are in 1% of mega-pro users - then I will probably understand, if you are in 10% of gamers - I will doubt, because there are only a few games (and fewer planned) which indeed use more than 4 cores... if you in 89% of other PC users, then 4 cores is more than enough for anything...
I don't mind Intel and AMD releasing 6-8-10-12 multicore chips, it is just that advantage of such chips for ordinary users is absent at best.
Personally I would prefer 10nm, better efficiency and per-core performance, rather than more cores.
Install Battlefield 1, play multiplayer on 64 man map. Become that 1% of mega-pro users who need more than 4 cores.
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#5416830 Posted on: 04/06/2017 10:22 AM
Maybe you should have a look at how much Intel has given you that per core performance over the recent years. It's not much, not much at all. Two new cores would automatically give you 50%, even if not all old games could put them to perfect use. Without the new cores you are looking at 5%, maybe 10% if Intel was really generous with the clocks.
Intel doesn't much care about our preferences either way.
Personally I would prefer 10nm, better efficiency and per-core performance, rather than more cores.
Maybe you should have a look at how much Intel has given you that per core performance over the recent years. It's not much, not much at all. Two new cores would automatically give you 50%, even if not all old games could put them to perfect use. Without the new cores you are looking at 5%, maybe 10% if Intel was really generous with the clocks.
Intel doesn't much care about our preferences either way.
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#5416832 Posted on: 04/06/2017 10:25 AM
Nice this is exactly the information that I was looking forward to. I hope that this happens. If you are into portable gaming and doing video editing on the go this is the answer. I may get a cannon lake based laptop at some point. Laptops need more than 4 cores if they want to be relevant as their big brother desktop.
Nice this is exactly the information that I was looking forward to. I hope that this happens. If you are into portable gaming and doing video editing on the go this is the answer. I may get a cannon lake based laptop at some point. Laptops need more than 4 cores if they want to be relevant as their big brother desktop.
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#5416842 Posted on: 04/06/2017 11:09 AM
Yay maybe now we'll finally get some reasonably priced 6 core i7's from Intel with i5's getting hyperthreading.
Knowing Intel and because it's a new expensive and troublesome node, I doubt it. But hey, now there is competition.
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
Not this again...
In 2007 I felt the need to upgrade my Pentium 4 3.0Ghz and in 2008 bought a E8400. Just 2 years later I felt the need for more cores again so in 2011 I bought the CPU I have today still. It's been 6 years, why didn't we move forward? Lack of competition, lack of software support (API level) and we hit a wall. We need more cores at the mainstream level so developers can take advantage of new existing today APIs and develop more complex and immersive games with thousands of units on display. I'm not a VR or streaming kind of guy but that needs allot of CPU kick. I do like to record wile gaming, edit and post on youtube. So, even if you wouldn't take advantage of more cores today, there's people who would.
Install Battlefield 1, play multiplayer on 64 man map. Become that 1% of mega-pro users who need more than 4 cores.
ahahah well said.
It's not like a 7700k wouldn't play it but the CPU would be close to max, turn on streaming and you can't play. (don't even try recording at the same time)
Maybe you should have a look at how much Intel has given you that per core performance over the recent years. It's not much, not much at all. Two new cores would automatically give you 50%, even if not all old games could put them to perfect use. Without the new cores you are looking at 5%, maybe 10% if Intel was really generous with the clocks.
What people fail to realise is that adding 2 more cores and lowering the clocks a bit would offer more performance for less power. Having CPU's clocking over a certain point is stupid and inefficient.
Yay maybe now we'll finally get some reasonably priced 6 core i7's from Intel with i5's getting hyperthreading.
Knowing Intel and because it's a new expensive and troublesome node, I doubt it. But hey, now there is competition.
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
Not this again...
In 2007 I felt the need to upgrade my Pentium 4 3.0Ghz and in 2008 bought a E8400. Just 2 years later I felt the need for more cores again so in 2011 I bought the CPU I have today still. It's been 6 years, why didn't we move forward? Lack of competition, lack of software support (API level) and we hit a wall. We need more cores at the mainstream level so developers can take advantage of new existing today APIs and develop more complex and immersive games with thousands of units on display. I'm not a VR or streaming kind of guy but that needs allot of CPU kick. I do like to record wile gaming, edit and post on youtube. So, even if you wouldn't take advantage of more cores today, there's people who would.
Install Battlefield 1, play multiplayer on 64 man map. Become that 1% of mega-pro users who need more than 4 cores.
ahahah well said.
It's not like a 7700k wouldn't play it but the CPU would be close to max, turn on streaming and you can't play. (don't even try recording at the same time)
Maybe you should have a look at how much Intel has given you that per core performance over the recent years. It's not much, not much at all. Two new cores would automatically give you 50%, even if not all old games could put them to perfect use. Without the new cores you are looking at 5%, maybe 10% if Intel was really generous with the clocks.
What people fail to realise is that adding 2 more cores and lowering the clocks a bit would offer more performance for less power. Having CPU's clocking over a certain point is stupid and inefficient.
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#5416945 Posted on: 04/06/2017 02:44 PM
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
If you are in 1% of mega-pro users - then I will probably understand, if you are in 10% of gamers - I will doubt, because there are only a few games (and fewer planned) which indeed use more than 4 cores... if you in 89% of other PC users, then 4 cores is more than enough for anything...
I don't mind Intel and AMD releasing 6-8-10-12 multicore chips, it is just that advantage of such chips for ordinary users is absent at best.
Personally I would prefer 10nm, better efficiency and per-core performance, rather than more cores.
I think the same way. The only reason to need more than 4 cores is if most games really start to require them otherwise they seem such a waste for those who don´t use their system for professional use.
Fox2232, Install Battlefield 1, play multiplayer on 64 man map. Become that 1% of mega-pro users who need more than 4 cores.
Are you sure that you need a cpu with more cores for this type of cases??? I could be wrong but i think the problem with this kind of MP games is the network part that can´t handle so many players at the same time, not the cpu having insufficient cores... But i could be wrong, of course, so maybe you have some evidence to support this? Remember there´s a reason tech sites like Guru3d don´t use MP games as benchmarks.
Can you please elaborate on WHY you need more cores?
And what do 4 cores limit you with?
If you are in 1% of mega-pro users - then I will probably understand, if you are in 10% of gamers - I will doubt, because there are only a few games (and fewer planned) which indeed use more than 4 cores... if you in 89% of other PC users, then 4 cores is more than enough for anything...
I don't mind Intel and AMD releasing 6-8-10-12 multicore chips, it is just that advantage of such chips for ordinary users is absent at best.
Personally I would prefer 10nm, better efficiency and per-core performance, rather than more cores.
I think the same way. The only reason to need more than 4 cores is if most games really start to require them otherwise they seem such a waste for those who don´t use their system for professional use.
Fox2232, Install Battlefield 1, play multiplayer on 64 man map. Become that 1% of mega-pro users who need more than 4 cores.
Are you sure that you need a cpu with more cores for this type of cases??? I could be wrong but i think the problem with this kind of MP games is the network part that can´t handle so many players at the same time, not the cpu having insufficient cores... But i could be wrong, of course, so maybe you have some evidence to support this? Remember there´s a reason tech sites like Guru3d don´t use MP games as benchmarks.
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No man.
It's EITHER:
45% power reduction
OR 25% higher performance.
10nm++ should bring additional 30% power reduction, or 15% higher performance, compared to 10nm.