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Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake Processors Will Be Hard To Get - Availability Dramatic
Intel yesterday released their Coffee Lake generation processors. The Z370 motherboards are available alright, the processors however now. We did some rounds here in the Netherlands and availability is dramatic. Intel supplied a dozen or two of the high-end specced processors to distributors, and that's it.
Meanwhile checking some price engines, the stock availability in Europe has run dry. In the USA the 8700k is also out of stock, I did notice the 8600k on Newegg though.
In the UK some shops are hugely milking the procs they can actually sell. One of the bigger etailer for example decided to test and bin the procs they had, and have pre-binned 5Ghz versions for £500, 5.1Ghz for £600 or 5.2Ghz for £800 in-stock.
A normal 8700k should cost £360, but, that one of course is not available and on pre-order only. Considering most if not all stock 8700K procs will already do 5.1 GHz that's really taking an advantage of your customers - guys, £800 is like 899 euros / 1050 USD (!).
As to why the availability is this low, nobody really knows and certainly not something we have seen or is expected often from Intel. Production is the same 14nm fab node one as Kaby Lake uses. Intel certainly will not shed any light on this. We have however heard rumors that there is lots of Kaby lake stock (processors and chipsets) left, perhaps they will be waiting to clear that stock fist before making Coffee Lake available in good volume, that however remains speculation of course.
It once again feels like rushed launch, a paper launch mostly with incredibly low stock available.
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#5479012 Posted on: 10/06/2017 08:40 AM
Almost took the bait and bought a Z370 board and a 8350K, but seeing the benchmarks it's not worth the extra investment.
Them boards look gorgeous though, i wanted to get the
Almost took the bait and bought a Z370 board and a 8350K, but seeing the benchmarks it's not worth the extra investment.
Them boards look gorgeous though, i wanted to get the
Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming it costs less then closest AM4 version.
Z370 costs 189,99 euro, X370 217,99 euro.
Z370 costs 189,99 euro, X370 217,99 euro.
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#5479013 Posted on: 10/06/2017 08:43 AM
Amen to that Bigmomma lol.I dont know this whole thing seems kinda shady to me Intel never had problems as far as I can remember putting out product, Looking at Micro centers site they have Only i5-8400 coffee lake which is selling for $249.99, This is really weird who the hell knows whats really behind it.Plus they are charging way to much as it is I am going Ryzen 90% sure so far. Also not cool for retailers ripping people off that much,I take that as a Major spit in the face!!
I love the z370 series boards as well, i was already planning on which one I wanted to buy,The Asus board or Msi godlike I think it was? Yupp Go Amd!!! Alot of us are behind you 100%, take it to em boys!
Amen to that Bigmomma lol.I dont know this whole thing seems kinda shady to me Intel never had problems as far as I can remember putting out product, Looking at Micro centers site they have Only i5-8400 coffee lake which is selling for $249.99, This is really weird who the hell knows whats really behind it.Plus they are charging way to much as it is I am going Ryzen 90% sure so far. Also not cool for retailers ripping people off that much,I take that as a Major spit in the face!!
I love the z370 series boards as well, i was already planning on which one I wanted to buy,The Asus board or Msi godlike I think it was? Yupp Go Amd!!! Alot of us are behind you 100%, take it to em boys!
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#5479015 Posted on: 10/06/2017 08:49 AM
It is not worth it.No IPC improvements over Kaby Lake ,just higher clocks with considerably higher temperatures.Deliding is obligatory if you want to oc or some high end (read very expensive) water cooling but you should do very likely both.The POS TIM that Intel is using simply can not withstand 6 cores CPU.
It is not worth it.No IPC improvements over Kaby Lake ,just higher clocks with considerably higher temperatures.Deliding is obligatory if you want to oc or some high end (read very expensive) water cooling but you should do very likely both.The POS TIM that Intel is using simply can not withstand 6 cores CPU.
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#5479018 Posted on: 10/06/2017 09:08 AM
A friend asked if I followed the PC hardware development since he's about to build a new gaming computer. I adviced to wait a little to see how Coffee Lake is about to perform since it's to be released very soon. I had no idea Intel was doing a paper launch in practice. I guess I'll have to inform him of this unless he already noticed it by himself. He was considering a Ryzen system anyway (no wonder before Coffee Lake), so maybe it doesn't matter much.
A friend asked if I followed the PC hardware development since he's about to build a new gaming computer. I adviced to wait a little to see how Coffee Lake is about to perform since it's to be released very soon. I had no idea Intel was doing a paper launch in practice. I guess I'll have to inform him of this unless he already noticed it by himself. He was considering a Ryzen system anyway (no wonder before Coffee Lake), so maybe it doesn't matter much.
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#5479019 Posted on: 10/06/2017 09:15 AM
I will stick to my i5 7600k, also clocked 5.0. Will be good for 2-3 years for sure . i5 8600k would be perfect for me but i would have to wait alot and cost would be much higher now , not worth for me ...
I will stick to my i5 7600k, also clocked 5.0. Will be good for 2-3 years for sure . i5 8600k would be perfect for me but i would have to wait alot and cost would be much higher now , not worth for me ...
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#5479028 Posted on: 10/06/2017 10:17 AM
sandy bridge is worth its weight in pure gold, if not more...
im on a 2500k since 2011 and not really looking to change yet, its running at 4.5ghz stable on air 24/7, megahalems and noctua 14 @ 1000 rpm static and i dont ever crash or have any instability, not even in summer so yeah take that to the bank...
and with 1070 im playing all of my games at 4k, sure, not everything can be maxed out (doh!) but it will push out 50-60fps in a lot of games even maxed out or close to it... 1440p (which equals to 33" screen on a 50" tv) will push everything i throw at it 60 fps maxxed out... so... yeah...
Yeah I feel you; had I not half-killed my former rig with beer I'd still be rocking my 4.9GHz 2600k. Mental processor.
sandy bridge is worth its weight in pure gold, if not more...
im on a 2500k since 2011 and not really looking to change yet, its running at 4.5ghz stable on air 24/7, megahalems and noctua 14 @ 1000 rpm static and i dont ever crash or have any instability, not even in summer so yeah take that to the bank...
and with 1070 im playing all of my games at 4k, sure, not everything can be maxed out (doh!) but it will push out 50-60fps in a lot of games even maxed out or close to it... 1440p (which equals to 33" screen on a 50" tv) will push everything i throw at it 60 fps maxxed out... so... yeah...
Yeah I feel you; had I not half-killed my former rig with beer I'd still be rocking my 4.9GHz 2600k. Mental processor.
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#5479029 Posted on: 10/06/2017 10:29 AM
Lol you what? Well, at least beer is always a reasonably good reason to kill hardware
Yeah I feel you; had I not half-killed my former rig with beer I'd still be rocking my 4.9GHz 2600k. Mental processor.
Lol you what? Well, at least beer is always a reasonably good reason to kill hardware
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#5479030 Posted on: 10/06/2017 10:37 AM
He could be arrested for GCH (Grievous Computer Harm)
Lol you what? Well, at least beer is always a reasonably good reason to kill hardware
He could be arrested for GCH (Grievous Computer Harm)
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#5479036 Posted on: 10/06/2017 11:28 AM
Haha indeed it's on the more reasonable spectrum of reasons for killing hardware but it's not as glamorous as it sounds either; I would have at least preferred for there to be a party accident or something.
At some point my case power button broke so I was keeping the rig open and inclined at maybe 60 degrees against a big box so I could power it on easily from the button on the mobo. The case was on the ground near the desk.
One night I was just enjoying some beer and games when I accidentally gave the beer bottle a good tug. I did catch the beer before it tripped but the sheer panic made me do it poorly enough such that I sprayed the surroundings with beer.
Of course, the case being both open AND inclined didn't help matters.
The GPU (GTX 970) received the brunt of the damage, a few drops near the PCI-E power connectors killed something in there such that it's not receiving PCI-E power anymore.
The mobo got a few drops too and it refuses to POST with more than 2 RAM sticks in it (since I had 4x4GB in there, I was effectively limited to 8GB which is clearly not enough for my audio production hobby).
Now, I would have just upgraded the GPU but I didn't feel happy about spending 300EUR on a crappy H61 mobo (I had a Z68, mind you); I would effectively be paying for a huge downgrade.
So I just went on and used this incident as an excuse to get a new rig.
Fortunately the rest was intact so I may still find uses for it (NAS, web server?).
Lol you what? Well, at least beer is always a reasonably good reason to kill hardware
Haha indeed it's on the more reasonable spectrum of reasons for killing hardware but it's not as glamorous as it sounds either; I would have at least preferred for there to be a party accident or something.
At some point my case power button broke so I was keeping the rig open and inclined at maybe 60 degrees against a big box so I could power it on easily from the button on the mobo. The case was on the ground near the desk.
One night I was just enjoying some beer and games when I accidentally gave the beer bottle a good tug. I did catch the beer before it tripped but the sheer panic made me do it poorly enough such that I sprayed the surroundings with beer.
Of course, the case being both open AND inclined didn't help matters.
The GPU (GTX 970) received the brunt of the damage, a few drops near the PCI-E power connectors killed something in there such that it's not receiving PCI-E power anymore.
The mobo got a few drops too and it refuses to POST with more than 2 RAM sticks in it (since I had 4x4GB in there, I was effectively limited to 8GB which is clearly not enough for my audio production hobby).
Now, I would have just upgraded the GPU but I didn't feel happy about spending 300EUR on a crappy H61 mobo (I had a Z68, mind you); I would effectively be paying for a huge downgrade.
So I just went on and used this incident as an excuse to get a new rig.
Fortunately the rest was intact so I may still find uses for it (NAS, web server?).
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#5479037 Posted on: 10/06/2017 11:30 AM
that's one way to kill a machine XD
I'm still rocking a 2700k at 4.6ghz, sadly my chip wasn't the best with 1.32v it was too instable at 4.7... 4.6 is fine though
not much difference between 4.6 and 4.8ghz
Yeah I feel you; had I not half-killed my former rig with beer I'd still be rocking my 4.9GHz 2600k. Mental processor.
that's one way to kill a machine XD
I'm still rocking a 2700k at 4.6ghz, sadly my chip wasn't the best with 1.32v it was too instable at 4.7... 4.6 is fine though
not much difference between 4.6 and 4.8ghz
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#5479039 Posted on: 10/06/2017 11:34 AM
that's one way to kill a machine XD
I'm still rocking a 2700k at 4.6ghz, sadly my chip wasn't the best with 1.32v it was too instable at 4.7... 4.6 is fine though :p not much difference between 4.6 and 4.8ghz
Yeah I know what you mean, it's not always worth the risk if you're looking for a 24/7 overclock.
I wasn't keeping it at 4.9 all the time either as it required quite a bit of voltage at 1.35V. I felt much safer with 4.6 at 1.3V. Pretty crazy how it required so much voltage after that point.
that's one way to kill a machine XD
I'm still rocking a 2700k at 4.6ghz, sadly my chip wasn't the best with 1.32v it was too instable at 4.7... 4.6 is fine though :p not much difference between 4.6 and 4.8ghz
Yeah I know what you mean, it's not always worth the risk if you're looking for a 24/7 overclock.
I wasn't keeping it at 4.9 all the time either as it required quite a bit of voltage at 1.35V. I felt much safer with 4.6 at 1.3V. Pretty crazy how it required so much voltage after that point.
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#5479041 Posted on: 10/06/2017 11:38 AM
Yeah I know what you mean, it's not always worth the risk if you're looking for a 24/7 overclock.
I wasn't keeping it at 4.9 all the time either as it required quite a bit of voltage at 1.35V. I felt much safer with 4.6 at 1.3V. Pretty crazy how it required so much voltage after that point.
Yeah, if CPU's were seeing massive increases over the years i might have risked it to keep up performance, but at the time i was running the thing 24/7 (half due to slow HDD's back then) But being at 1.32 i do feel is the nice sweet number for me, i reckon with tweeks i could have pushed it down to 1.31, but i could never be bothered to play with it too much after i got the damn thing stable :p i've seen ton of people pushing 1.48v just to get 5ghz~
8700k might end up being my next processor of choice, gotta say it does not need that much more voltage to clock higher which is nice... 1.385v for 5.2ghz all cores is amazing considering i'm doing 4.6ghz all cores at 1.32
Yeah I know what you mean, it's not always worth the risk if you're looking for a 24/7 overclock.
I wasn't keeping it at 4.9 all the time either as it required quite a bit of voltage at 1.35V. I felt much safer with 4.6 at 1.3V. Pretty crazy how it required so much voltage after that point.
Yeah, if CPU's were seeing massive increases over the years i might have risked it to keep up performance, but at the time i was running the thing 24/7 (half due to slow HDD's back then) But being at 1.32 i do feel is the nice sweet number for me, i reckon with tweeks i could have pushed it down to 1.31, but i could never be bothered to play with it too much after i got the damn thing stable :p i've seen ton of people pushing 1.48v just to get 5ghz~
8700k might end up being my next processor of choice, gotta say it does not need that much more voltage to clock higher which is nice... 1.385v for 5.2ghz all cores is amazing considering i'm doing 4.6ghz all cores at 1.32
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#5479043 Posted on: 10/06/2017 11:56 AM
Yeah, if CPU's were seeing massive increases over the years i might have risked it to keep up performance, but at the time i was running the thing 24/7 (half due to slow HDD's back then) But being at 1.32 i do feel is the nice sweet number for me, i reckon with tweeks i could have pushed it down to 1.31, but i could never be bothered to play with it too much after i got the damn thing stable :p i've seen ton of people pushing 1.48v just to get 5ghz~
8700k might end up being my next processor of choice, gotta say it does not need that much more voltage to clock higher which is nice... 1.385v for 5.2ghz all cores is amazing considering i'm doing 4.6ghz all cores at 1.32
The 8700k is definitely a tempting processor, if I were building a rig right now I would actually trade some multicore performance for some single-core performance as I'm currently gaming at 1080p 144Hz. Been meaning to get a 1440p 144Hz monitor soon.
The 1600X is still a strong contender though, it beats the shit out of both the 8700k and the 1700X in price/performance. You can't ask for more in 60Hz gaming.
Yeah, if CPU's were seeing massive increases over the years i might have risked it to keep up performance, but at the time i was running the thing 24/7 (half due to slow HDD's back then) But being at 1.32 i do feel is the nice sweet number for me, i reckon with tweeks i could have pushed it down to 1.31, but i could never be bothered to play with it too much after i got the damn thing stable :p i've seen ton of people pushing 1.48v just to get 5ghz~
8700k might end up being my next processor of choice, gotta say it does not need that much more voltage to clock higher which is nice... 1.385v for 5.2ghz all cores is amazing considering i'm doing 4.6ghz all cores at 1.32
The 8700k is definitely a tempting processor, if I were building a rig right now I would actually trade some multicore performance for some single-core performance as I'm currently gaming at 1080p 144Hz. Been meaning to get a 1440p 144Hz monitor soon.
The 1600X is still a strong contender though, it beats the shit out of both the 8700k and the 1700X in price/performance. You can't ask for more in 60Hz gaming.
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#5479046 Posted on: 10/06/2017 12:03 PM
The 8700k is definitely a tempting processor, if I were building a rig right now I would actually trade some multicore performance for some single-core performance as I'm currently gaming at 1080p 144Hz. Been meaning to get a 1440p 144Hz monitor soon.
The 1600X is still a strong contender though, it beats the crap out of both the 8700k and the 1700X in price/performance. You can't ask for more in 60Hz gaming.
i game at 165hz 1440p, so single core performance often is king on that front... though 1600x is performance king that much is true. just a shame it basically has no overclocking room... maybe the 2600x when it comes out next year might improve on this, sadly i don't know if i could wait any longer than i already have for a PC XD
The 8700k is definitely a tempting processor, if I were building a rig right now I would actually trade some multicore performance for some single-core performance as I'm currently gaming at 1080p 144Hz. Been meaning to get a 1440p 144Hz monitor soon.
The 1600X is still a strong contender though, it beats the crap out of both the 8700k and the 1700X in price/performance. You can't ask for more in 60Hz gaming.
i game at 165hz 1440p, so single core performance often is king on that front... though 1600x is performance king that much is true. just a shame it basically has no overclocking room... maybe the 2600x when it comes out next year might improve on this, sadly i don't know if i could wait any longer than i already have for a PC XD
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Thanks but no Thanks Intel, I am going for Ryzen
The gaming performance is great now, it's not like AMD FX vs I7 , plus in Ryzen I get more core for future proof and my expensive MB will serve me on next Ryzen CPU too, not like Intel and their New MB twice in a Year!.
If you don't want to be stuck @ 6C/12T Tick&Tock for the Next 10 Years help the competition and Go AMD!