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Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake Processors Will Be Hard To Get - Availability Dramatic
Intel yesterday released their Coffee Lake generation processors. The Z370 motherboards are available alright, the processors however now. We did some rounds here in the Netherlands and availability is dramatic. Intel supplied a dozen or two of the high-end specced processors to distributors, and that's it.
Meanwhile checking some price engines, the stock availability in Europe has run dry. In the USA the 8700k is also out of stock, I did notice the 8600k on Newegg though.
In the UK some shops are hugely milking the procs they can actually sell. One of the bigger etailer for example decided to test and bin the procs they had, and have pre-binned 5Ghz versions for £500, 5.1Ghz for £600 or 5.2Ghz for £800 in-stock.
A normal 8700k should cost £360, but, that one of course is not available and on pre-order only. Considering most if not all stock 8700K procs will already do 5.1 GHz that's really taking an advantage of your customers - guys, £800 is like 899 euros / 1050 USD (!).
As to why the availability is this low, nobody really knows and certainly not something we have seen or is expected often from Intel. Production is the same 14nm fab node one as Kaby Lake uses. Intel certainly will not shed any light on this. We have however heard rumors that there is lots of Kaby lake stock (processors and chipsets) left, perhaps they will be waiting to clear that stock fist before making Coffee Lake available in good volume, that however remains speculation of course.
It once again feels like rushed launch, a paper launch mostly with incredibly low stock available.
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#5479114 Posted on: 10/06/2017 03:20 PM
It is not worth it.No IPC improvements over Kaby Lake ,just higher clocks with considerably higher temperatures.Deliding is obligatory if you want to oc or some high end (read very expensive) water cooling but you should do very likely both.The POS TIM that Intel is using simply can not withstand 6 cores CPU.
The extra cores is worth it for anyone buying into the platform relative the older stuff.
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#5479116 Posted on: 10/06/2017 03:24 PM
I never tried New Coke but I heard it was a legitimately better product from those who weren't biased or afraid of new things. The reason people got in a hissy-fit was because they didn't like that it was different. People hate change. Coke was trying to make a product that appealed to a wider audience. For the record, I prefer Pepsi, but Coke didn't deserve the crap they got.
Anyway, what Intel is doing is very different from what Coke did. In fact I'd say it's kind of the opposite: Intel is doing too much of the same things they've always done, and in technology, evolution is a necessity to be successful, or at least relevant. In terms of strictly numbers, AMD may have an overall worse product but they're showing much more progress and their future looks promising. So, I don't disagree that Intel may be trying to clear inventory or may be too arrogant to admit mistakes, but I think the real problem is they're getting too cocky about their decade of success and it may backfire.
Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.
I never tried New Coke but I heard it was a legitimately better product from those who weren't biased or afraid of new things. The reason people got in a hissy-fit was because they didn't like that it was different. People hate change. Coke was trying to make a product that appealed to a wider audience. For the record, I prefer Pepsi, but Coke didn't deserve the crap they got.
Anyway, what Intel is doing is very different from what Coke did. In fact I'd say it's kind of the opposite: Intel is doing too much of the same things they've always done, and in technology, evolution is a necessity to be successful, or at least relevant. In terms of strictly numbers, AMD may have an overall worse product but they're showing much more progress and their future looks promising. So, I don't disagree that Intel may be trying to clear inventory or may be too arrogant to admit mistakes, but I think the real problem is they're getting too cocky about their decade of success and it may backfire.
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#5479119 Posted on: 10/06/2017 03:26 PM
Indeed. Most people buy their motherboards first, then sit around and wait for a CPU they can use it with. I did this with my car. Bought the steering wheel, and then waited for the rest of the car to be delivered.
I figure part of Intel's strategy is to sell a bunch of Z300-series motherboards now such that, come Q1 2018, when Ryzen+ processors hit the market and Coffee Lake is finally available in quantity a number of consumers will already be saddled with Intel motherboards.
Indeed. Most people buy their motherboards first, then sit around and wait for a CPU they can use it with. I did this with my car. Bought the steering wheel, and then waited for the rest of the car to be delivered.
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#5479127 Posted on: 10/06/2017 03:37 PM
Compare Ryzen 5 1600X vs i5 8400 though and it become less exciting.
I do some (average) UserBenchmarks numbers (i5 8400 vs Ryzen 5 1600X) for the sake of it:
Single core: 125 vs 110, 8400 +14% vs 1600X
Quad core: 486 vs 404, 8400 +20% vs 1600X
Multi core: 723 vs 922, 1600X +28% vs 8400.
So of course the 1600X wins the multi-core test but in games (and AVX and cache and memory performance?) and price it won't.
The i5 8400 is the greatest chip they released. Half price of 8700K and basically just lose HT and OC, very similar performance to stock i7 7700K at lower power consumption and price.
A friend asked if I followed the PC hardware development since he's about to build a new gaming computer. I adviced to wait a little to see how Coffee Lake is about to perform since it's to be released very soon. I had no idea Intel was doing a paper launch in practice. I guess I'll have to inform him of this unless he already noticed it by himself. He was considering a Ryzen system anyway (no wonder before Coffee Lake), so maybe it doesn't matter much.
Tell him to get i5 8400 and he'll be happy.The 1600X is still a strong contender though, it beats the crap out of both the 8700k and the 1700X in price/performance. You can't ask for more in 60Hz gaming.
Only because the i7 8700K cost TWICE that of the i5 8400.Compare Ryzen 5 1600X vs i5 8400 though and it become less exciting.
I do some (average) UserBenchmarks numbers (i5 8400 vs Ryzen 5 1600X) for the sake of it:
Single core: 125 vs 110, 8400 +14% vs 1600X
Quad core: 486 vs 404, 8400 +20% vs 1600X
Multi core: 723 vs 922, 1600X +28% vs 8400.
So of course the 1600X wins the multi-core test but in games (and AVX and cache and memory performance?) and price it won't.
The i5 8400 is the greatest chip they released. Half price of 8700K and basically just lose HT and OC, very similar performance to stock i7 7700K at lower power consumption and price.
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#5479153 Posted on: 10/06/2017 05:05 PM
Tell him to get i5 8400 and he'll be happy.
I think you mean: Tell him to try to get an i5 8400, but in reality wait, wait some more, then keep waiting, until one day he'd finally get an i5 8400.
But no, I won't tell him that. I won't tell anybody serious to get a locked CPU unless it's for a special purpose. I wouldn't get a locked CPU for my main desktop myself, so it would be iffy to recommend one to someone else. His hardware needs are no lesser than mine, he just doesn't invest the time to follow the scene.
Tell him to get i5 8400 and he'll be happy.
I think you mean: Tell him to try to get an i5 8400, but in reality wait, wait some more, then keep waiting, until one day he'd finally get an i5 8400.
But no, I won't tell him that. I won't tell anybody serious to get a locked CPU unless it's for a special purpose. I wouldn't get a locked CPU for my main desktop myself, so it would be iffy to recommend one to someone else. His hardware needs are no lesser than mine, he just doesn't invest the time to follow the scene.
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#5479157 Posted on: 10/06/2017 05:21 PM
I seriously doubt that Kaby Lake stock is an issue here. If they really wanted to get rid of such a surplus, then they should have reduced prices on those and release Coffee Lake later...
The whole Z370 platform is so typical Intel, I'm pretty sure all of these CPUs could have worked on Z270 and a "Z390" with a supposed mainstream 8 core would have made much more sense later on.
I seriously doubt that Kaby Lake stock is an issue here. If they really wanted to get rid of such a surplus, then they should have reduced prices on those and release Coffee Lake later...
The whole Z370 platform is so typical Intel, I'm pretty sure all of these CPUs could have worked on Z270 and a "Z390" with a supposed mainstream 8 core would have made much more sense later on.
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#5479171 Posted on: 10/06/2017 05:46 PM
By one online German shop it said this;
https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu
By one online German shop it said this;
Ordered - In stock expected 26.10.2017
https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu
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#5479181 Posted on: 10/06/2017 06:06 PM
By one online German shop it said this;
https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu
Wow, 20 days. And even when they get more stock there's no telling how much they'll get (it'll probably go out of stock again after a few minutes). Paper launches always suck.
To anyone looking to get Coffee Lake this year, all I can say is: good luck.
By one online German shop it said this;
Ordered - In stock expected 26.10.2017
https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu
Wow, 20 days. And even when they get more stock there's no telling how much they'll get (it'll probably go out of stock again after a few minutes). Paper launches always suck.
To anyone looking to get Coffee Lake this year, all I can say is: good luck.
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#5479188 Posted on: 10/06/2017 06:32 PM
This only confirms the suspicions which aroused right after the "announcement" of the coffee lake - ExInteligents are desperately trying to counterweight Ryzen, even if it means the "invention" of phantom/hocus pocus CPUs (CPUs that "exist" only in media and in a form of "engineering samples"). The truth is, they simply cannot produce it NOW, it's just a red cloth waved in front of bull's nose etc. etc.. They are knock downed, thus in a bad need of a breath, in a bad need of a time-out, time-out, time-out......
This only confirms the suspicions which aroused right after the "announcement" of the coffee lake - ExInteligents are desperately trying to counterweight Ryzen, even if it means the "invention" of phantom/hocus pocus CPUs (CPUs that "exist" only in media and in a form of "engineering samples"). The truth is, they simply cannot produce it NOW, it's just a red cloth waved in front of bull's nose etc. etc.. They are knock downed, thus in a bad need of a breath, in a bad need of a time-out, time-out, time-out......
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#5479192 Posted on: 10/06/2017 07:02 PM
Not sure if this has been posted: Interesting break down of cpu sales this year in Europe. Intel had to release something. September is not included.
http://digiworthy.com/2017/09/02/amd-surpass-intel-cpu-sales/
Not sure if this has been posted: Interesting break down of cpu sales this year in Europe. Intel had to release something. September is not included.
AMD finally surpassed Intel CPU sales at Europe’s biggest PC market
http://digiworthy.com/2017/09/02/amd-surpass-intel-cpu-sales/
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#5479196 Posted on: 10/06/2017 07:10 PM
That's a great processor for sure. One more option when it's really available.
That's a great processor for sure. One more option when it's really available.
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#5479205 Posted on: 10/06/2017 07:48 PM
The problem with OCUK is that they admitted on post in their own forums, they binned ALL the 8700K stock (few dozens CPUs) even the boxed retail ones, and sold it at inflated prices.
Because they are "business".......
And they are doing so alongside many other retailers.
As for the CPU itself, for anyone who doesn't fit the narrow spec "GTX1080/1080ti, 1080p 144/200hz, with 1 NVMe drive", there are better products, even by Intel themselves!!! (7800X, 7820X, whole Ryzen 5/7 lineup, Kabylake 7700K, 7740X)
To put in perspective on all the 1440p benchmarks with the GTX1080Ti, my 6800K @ 4Ghz, is just 0.75 to 1fps slower. On a far greater platform with more PCI-e lanes for more expandability (giga ethernet, Samsung 960 drives etc).
Those things would bottleneck on the DMI 3.0 of the Z370/390.
The problem with OCUK is that they admitted on post in their own forums, they binned ALL the 8700K stock (few dozens CPUs) even the boxed retail ones, and sold it at inflated prices.
Because they are "business".......
And they are doing so alongside many other retailers.
As for the CPU itself, for anyone who doesn't fit the narrow spec "GTX1080/1080ti, 1080p 144/200hz, with 1 NVMe drive", there are better products, even by Intel themselves!!! (7800X, 7820X, whole Ryzen 5/7 lineup, Kabylake 7700K, 7740X)
To put in perspective on all the 1440p benchmarks with the GTX1080Ti, my 6800K @ 4Ghz, is just 0.75 to 1fps slower. On a far greater platform with more PCI-e lanes for more expandability (giga ethernet, Samsung 960 drives etc).
Those things would bottleneck on the DMI 3.0 of the Z370/390.
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#5479213 Posted on: 10/06/2017 08:16 PM
even more puzzling as to why z370 doesn't support kaby lake, selling boards that you can't find cpus for....
10/10
even more puzzling as to why z370 doesn't support kaby lake, selling boards that you can't find cpus for....
10/10
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#5479243 Posted on: 10/06/2017 10:08 PM
Gonna by myself a delidder before I even have the CPU in hand.. not even gonna fuss with stock chip and just delid straight away, save myself from the extra heat from the getgo.
Gonna by myself a delidder before I even have the CPU in hand.. not even gonna fuss with stock chip and just delid straight away, save myself from the extra heat from the getgo.
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I figure part of Intel's strategy is to sell a bunch of Z300-series motherboards now such that, come Q1 2018, when Ryzen+ processors hit the market and Coffee Lake is finally available in quantity a number of consumers will already be saddled with Intel motherboards.