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Intel 8th Gen Coffee Lake Processors Will Be Hard To Get - Availability Dramatic
Intel yesterday released their Coffee Lake generation processors. The Z370 motherboards are available alright, the processors however now. We did some rounds here in the Netherlands and availability is dramatic. Intel supplied a dozen or two of the high-end specced processors to distributors, and that's it.
Meanwhile checking some price engines, the stock availability in Europe has run dry. In the USA the 8700k is also out of stock, I did notice the 8600k on Newegg though.
In the UK some shops are hugely milking the procs they can actually sell. One of the bigger etailer for example decided to test and bin the procs they had, and have pre-binned 5Ghz versions for £500, 5.1Ghz for £600 or 5.2Ghz for £800 in-stock.
A normal 8700k should cost £360, but, that one of course is not available and on pre-order only. Considering most if not all stock 8700K procs will already do 5.1 GHz that's really taking an advantage of your customers - guys, £800 is like 899 euros / 1050 USD (!).
As to why the availability is this low, nobody really knows and certainly not something we have seen or is expected often from Intel. Production is the same 14nm fab node one as Kaby Lake uses. Intel certainly will not shed any light on this. We have however heard rumors that there is lots of Kaby lake stock (processors and chipsets) left, perhaps they will be waiting to clear that stock fist before making Coffee Lake available in good volume, that however remains speculation of course.
It once again feels like rushed launch, a paper launch mostly with incredibly low stock available.
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#5479048 Posted on: 10/06/2017 12:07 PM
I don't remember when Intel had low availability on products, I thought that was the thing people liked to use to make puns at AMD.
I don't remember when Intel had low availability on products, I thought that was the thing people liked to use to make puns at AMD.
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#5479060 Posted on: 10/06/2017 12:48 PM
Good job Intel, yet another great tactic to push your loyal customers away.
Good job Intel, yet another great tactic to push your loyal customers away.
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#5479065 Posted on: 10/06/2017 12:59 PM
£300 for 0.2 extra GHz.
o_O
£300 for 0.2 extra GHz.
o_O
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#5479078 Posted on: 10/06/2017 01:50 PM
Sounds like they wanted to try and slow down Ryzen sales.
Good performing cpu though, other than the temp, power usage and mobo requirements.
Sounds like they wanted to try and slow down Ryzen sales.
Good performing cpu though, other than the temp, power usage and mobo requirements.
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#5479084 Posted on: 10/06/2017 01:58 PM
One thing I think Covfefe Lake is doing for Intel is moving their core count up for future platforms. This is the first time an i3 will be a quad core, i5 is a 6 core, and i7 standard is 6 core HT, and so on and so forth. So they weren't really going for better IPC per say, but more going for making a higher core count for their platform the standard.
One thing I think Covfefe Lake is doing for Intel is moving their core count up for future platforms. This is the first time an i3 will be a quad core, i5 is a 6 core, and i7 standard is 6 core HT, and so on and so forth. So they weren't really going for better IPC per say, but more going for making a higher core count for their platform the standard.
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#5479085 Posted on: 10/06/2017 02:03 PM
sandy bridge is worth its weight in pure gold, if not more...
im on a 2500k since 2011 and not really looking to change yet, its running at 4.5ghz stable on air 24/7, megahalems and noctua 14 @ 1000 rpm static and i dont ever crash or have any instability, not even in summer so yeah take that to the bank...
and with 1070 im playing all of my games at 4k, sure, not everything can be maxed out (doh!) but it will push out 50-60fps in a lot of games even maxed out or close to it... 1440p (which equals to 33" screen on a 50" tv) will push everything i throw at it 60 fps maxxed out... so... yeah...
I'm feeling a lot less embarrassed now.
I'm on an i5-2500k also since 2011.... though with no overclock. Same Noctua 14 triple fan beast (rpm is set to medium to keep quiet), and gaming diff is my well-cooled Zotac GTX 1060 6GB as linked, and bought a couple of weeks after release for $225.
sandy bridge is worth its weight in pure gold, if not more...
im on a 2500k since 2011 and not really looking to change yet, its running at 4.5ghz stable on air 24/7, megahalems and noctua 14 @ 1000 rpm static and i dont ever crash or have any instability, not even in summer so yeah take that to the bank...
and with 1070 im playing all of my games at 4k, sure, not everything can be maxed out (doh!) but it will push out 50-60fps in a lot of games even maxed out or close to it... 1440p (which equals to 33" screen on a 50" tv) will push everything i throw at it 60 fps maxxed out... so... yeah...
I'm feeling a lot less embarrassed now.
I'm on an i5-2500k also since 2011.... though with no overclock. Same Noctua 14 triple fan beast (rpm is set to medium to keep quiet), and gaming diff is my well-cooled Zotac GTX 1060 6GB as linked, and bought a couple of weeks after release for $225.
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#5479087 Posted on: 10/06/2017 02:07 PM
Sounds like they wanted to try and slow down Ryzen sales.
Good performing cpu though, other than the temp, power usage and mobo requirements.
Yes, and seemed like a semi-desperate move in view of how much they bumped up their roadmap (this was supposed to come out in 2018, not 2017). Still, let's see how long it takes them to start moving stock before judging. They do have the means to ramp up manufacturing. In the camera world, this sort of wait after 'launch' is standard.
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/processors/
Sounds like they wanted to try and slow down Ryzen sales.
Good performing cpu though, other than the temp, power usage and mobo requirements.
Yes, and seemed like a semi-desperate move in view of how much they bumped up their roadmap (this was supposed to come out in 2018, not 2017). Still, let's see how long it takes them to start moving stock before judging. They do have the means to ramp up manufacturing. In the camera world, this sort of wait after 'launch' is standard.
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/processors/
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#5479090 Posted on: 10/06/2017 02:15 PM
Amen to that Bigmomma lol.I dont know this whole thing seems kinda shady to me Intel never had problems as far as I can remember putting out product, Looking at Micro centers site they have Only i5-8400 coffee lake which is selling for $249.99, This is really weird who the hell knows whats really behind it.Plus they are charging way to much as it is I am going Ryzen 90% sure so far. Also not cool for retailers ripping people off that much,I take that as a Major spit in the face!!
I love the z370 series boards as well, i was already planning on which one I wanted to buy,The Asus board or Msi godlike I think it was? Yupp Go Amd!!! Alot of us are behind you 100%, take it to em boys!
Newegg has it in stock as of this writing, for $189.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117824
Amen to that Bigmomma lol.I dont know this whole thing seems kinda shady to me Intel never had problems as far as I can remember putting out product, Looking at Micro centers site they have Only i5-8400 coffee lake which is selling for $249.99, This is really weird who the hell knows whats really behind it.Plus they are charging way to much as it is I am going Ryzen 90% sure so far. Also not cool for retailers ripping people off that much,I take that as a Major spit in the face!!
I love the z370 series boards as well, i was already planning on which one I wanted to buy,The Asus board or Msi godlike I think it was? Yupp Go Amd!!! Alot of us are behind you 100%, take it to em boys!
Newegg has it in stock as of this writing, for $189.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117824
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#5479093 Posted on: 10/06/2017 02:25 PM
Kind of funny: When Ryzen launched, motherboard availability was a problem but CPU availability was fine. When Coffee Lake launched, CPU availability was the problem but motherboard availability was fine.
I am trying to make sense of why availability is a problem. Here's what I've come up with so far:
* Sometimes, demand for products becomes higher when they're scarce. It makes the product seem more valuable and desirable.
* Coffee Lake was released earlier than intended - perhaps the main reason for waiting was just so there would be sufficient supply.
* Since Coffee Lake isn't noteworthy architecturally (the extra cores and performance-per-dollar is certainly better than KL), maybe Intel predicted it was going to be a lot less popular. But Intel has a bit of an ego problem, so I find it hard to believe they'd expect a product they made (let alone something people have wanted for years) to sell poorly.
* By slowly releasing the product, CL will get more attention (case in point: this article). Supply issues doesn't say anything negative about the product itself, so as long as attention is drawn to it, Intel is fresh in people's minds.
* Due to competition, Intel doesn't like that they have to charge less than they normally would. If they "arbitrarily" decrease the availability, that increases the value of the product. People who want CL are going to get it no matter what; if they waited this long, they're not going to buy something else. In the long run, Intel will in turn earn more money.
Kind of funny: When Ryzen launched, motherboard availability was a problem but CPU availability was fine. When Coffee Lake launched, CPU availability was the problem but motherboard availability was fine.
I am trying to make sense of why availability is a problem. Here's what I've come up with so far:
* Sometimes, demand for products becomes higher when they're scarce. It makes the product seem more valuable and desirable.
* Coffee Lake was released earlier than intended - perhaps the main reason for waiting was just so there would be sufficient supply.
* Since Coffee Lake isn't noteworthy architecturally (the extra cores and performance-per-dollar is certainly better than KL), maybe Intel predicted it was going to be a lot less popular. But Intel has a bit of an ego problem, so I find it hard to believe they'd expect a product they made (let alone something people have wanted for years) to sell poorly.
* By slowly releasing the product, CL will get more attention (case in point: this article). Supply issues doesn't say anything negative about the product itself, so as long as attention is drawn to it, Intel is fresh in people's minds.
* Due to competition, Intel doesn't like that they have to charge less than they normally would. If they "arbitrarily" decrease the availability, that increases the value of the product. People who want CL are going to get it no matter what; if they waited this long, they're not going to buy something else. In the long run, Intel will in turn earn more money.
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#5479096 Posted on: 10/06/2017 02:38 PM
dude, you have the most overclockable processor intel ever put out! (since all latter ones are ruined by terrible TIM the statement kinda stands)
oc it, today!
Yeah I don't get it... why custom build a PC with a K series CPU and a nice heatsink but not OC after all this time?
dude, you have the most overclockable processor intel ever put out! (since all latter ones are ruined by terrible TIM the statement kinda stands)
oc it, today!
Yeah I don't get it... why custom build a PC with a K series CPU and a nice heatsink but not OC after all this time?
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#5479101 Posted on: 10/06/2017 02:47 PM
I didn't realize how much AMD frightened Intel! The Coffee Lake paper release proves it. I'm so glad Intel now has some serious competition. How long would we have waited for "mainstream" hexacore CPUs from Intel. And at "mainstream" prices, no less. Competition is a beautiful thing and long overdue.
I didn't realize how much AMD frightened Intel! The Coffee Lake paper release proves it. I'm so glad Intel now has some serious competition. How long would we have waited for "mainstream" hexacore CPUs from Intel. And at "mainstream" prices, no less. Competition is a beautiful thing and long overdue.
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#5479107 Posted on: 10/06/2017 03:14 PM
Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.
Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.
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#5479110 Posted on: 10/06/2017 03:18 PM
Almost took the bait and bought a Z370 board and a 8350K, but seeing the benchmarks it's not worth the extra investment.
Them boards look gorgeous though, i wanted to get the
i3 8350K here in Sweden: 1790 SEK, 4C/4T, sure it's unlocked but.
i5 8400K here in Sweden: 1890 SEK, 6C/6T, the base clock of 2.8 GHz may look low but the all core boost is 3.8 GHz and the single core boost is 4.0 GHz so don't view it as a 2.8 GHz chip but as a 3.8-4.0 GHz one.
Ryzen 5 1600 by comparision is 2055 SEK, 6C/12T for sure and boosts up to 3.6 GHz and I guess you can OC to 3.9 or whatever.
So it has HT over the Intel chip but the Intel chip has the more efficient codes and game code for it.
Overclocked i3s I'd say has always been a bad buy.
i5 8400 perform about as well as i7 7700K, in Linus tech tips test it ran games about as well as the 8700K which cost twice as much. Right now the 8700K is only worth it vs the 8400 for productivity loads or overclocking.
Almost took the bait and bought a Z370 board and a 8350K, but seeing the benchmarks it's not worth the extra investment.
Them boards look gorgeous though, i wanted to get the
Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming it costs less then closest AM4 version.
Z370 costs 189,99 euro, X370 217,99 euro.
The 8350K is a stupid buy anyway. What you should order instead is the i5 8400.Z370 costs 189,99 euro, X370 217,99 euro.
i3 8350K here in Sweden: 1790 SEK, 4C/4T, sure it's unlocked but.
i5 8400K here in Sweden: 1890 SEK, 6C/6T, the base clock of 2.8 GHz may look low but the all core boost is 3.8 GHz and the single core boost is 4.0 GHz so don't view it as a 2.8 GHz chip but as a 3.8-4.0 GHz one.
Ryzen 5 1600 by comparision is 2055 SEK, 6C/12T for sure and boosts up to 3.6 GHz and I guess you can OC to 3.9 or whatever.
So it has HT over the Intel chip but the Intel chip has the more efficient codes and game code for it.
Overclocked i3s I'd say has always been a bad buy.
i5 8400 perform about as well as i7 7700K, in Linus tech tips test it ran games about as well as the 8700K which cost twice as much. Right now the 8700K is only worth it vs the 8400 for productivity loads or overclocking.
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#5479111 Posted on: 10/06/2017 03:18 PM
Not sure they are holding out, more like they are pre-mature on the release. They can't fill supply, but want to have something out so buyers may wait.
Very disappointed in Intel. If they are holding back Coffee Lake because they want to clear inventory of Kaby Lake...most enthusiasts won't bite. Intel is really pushing their loyals toward the competition in a big way. This is a classic tale of Classic Coke vs New Coke of many years ago. Pepsi hit Coke hard and Coke stumbled until it admitted it's mistake and went back to the original formula and new Coke became a product extension. But at least Coke admitted it. Intel is too arrogant for that.
Not sure they are holding out, more like they are pre-mature on the release. They can't fill supply, but want to have something out so buyers may wait.
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HH just checked overclockers, seems all those pre-binned chips have sold crazy enough... Guess to some people money is no object haha... i cannot get paying 799 for a 5.2ghz chip... maybe paying 400 a bit more for a nice pre-binned chip but 799 nope :p
Edit... they also only come with a 1 year warranty XD come on the e-retailers are just milking this massively now