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Intel 10nm Ice Lake processors will be available significant quantities this year
If you browse down a couple of posts you will have noticed the quarterly figures from Intel, and they are announcing that they are shipping significant quantities of 10nm processors this year. Ice Lake generation procs are aimed at mobile devices, desktop procs remain at 14nm for a year or two.
Ice Lake-U for mobile platforms started in Q1 but has been delayed and pending ever since, the first processors for the production will be sent to manufacturers in Q3. Intel aims to get 10nm processors on shelves before the holidays.
Ice Lake supports the new VNNI instructions for neural networks and has a new GPU embedded.it will also get new memory controllers allowing LPDDR4 and LPDDR4X memory, which can bring a nice performance boost towards mobile devices.
"On the [10 nm] process technology front, our teams executed well in Q1 and our velocity is increasing," said Bob Swan, CEO of Intel. “We remain on track to have volume of client systems on shelves for the holiday selling season. And over the past four months, the organization drove a nearly 2X improvement in the rate at which 10nm products move through our factories.
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#5663775 Posted on: 04/26/2019 07:49 PM
If they indeed do manage to reach near-parity in IPC with Zen 2 as rumored, AMD won't even need to worry about Intel in the desktop space - they win by default. Even if the rumors about the 12- and 16- core desktop chips getting delayed until Q4 are true, there are no products Intel has on their docket for at least a year that can compete at 14nm, the 9900k is already pushing that node farther than it should be pushed.
If they indeed do manage to reach near-parity in IPC with Zen 2 as rumored, AMD won't even need to worry about Intel in the desktop space - they win by default. Even if the rumors about the 12- and 16- core desktop chips getting delayed until Q4 are true, there are no products Intel has on their docket for at least a year that can compete at 14nm, the 9900k is already pushing that node farther than it should be pushed.
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#5663778 Posted on: 04/26/2019 07:55 PM
" desktop procs remain at 14nm for a year or two. " , I suspect those 2 years might turn into 3 ~ 5 years wish does not make sense , they better come up with 7nm fast and i mean like really fast as 10nm it's already dead on the water for desktops.
" desktop procs remain at 14nm for a year or two. " , I suspect those 2 years might turn into 3 ~ 5 years wish does not make sense , they better come up with 7nm fast and i mean like really fast as 10nm it's already dead on the water for desktops.
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#5663780 Posted on: 04/26/2019 08:00 PM
This sentence does not inspire hope " the organization drove a nearly 2X improvement in the rate at which 10nm products move through our factories."
Anand made a first look on a laptop model that used the 10nm, i think it was used exclusively in that one laptop model, because the yield was so bad, it turned out that the performance was so close to 14nm, that no one could spot the difference.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-and-core-i3-8121u-deep-dive-review
This sentence does not inspire hope " the organization drove a nearly 2X improvement in the rate at which 10nm products move through our factories."
Anand made a first look on a laptop model that used the 10nm, i think it was used exclusively in that one laptop model, because the yield was so bad, it turned out that the performance was so close to 14nm, that no one could spot the difference.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-and-core-i3-8121u-deep-dive-review
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#5663802 Posted on: 04/26/2019 09:39 PM
And from that Review- Look at the Power Usage at same frequency vs current 14nm:
And from that Review- Look at the Power Usage at same frequency vs current 14nm:
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#5663851 Posted on: 04/27/2019 02:12 AM
And from that Review- Look at the Power Usage at same frequency vs current 14nm:
There is a reason that version of 10nm wasn't used for anything but one niche product you could barely get your hands on. 10nm in 2019 is not the same process anymore.
And from that Review- Look at the Power Usage at same frequency vs current 14nm:
There is a reason that version of 10nm wasn't used for anything but one niche product you could barely get your hands on. 10nm in 2019 is not the same process anymore.
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#5663865 Posted on: 04/27/2019 05:19 AM
Not trying to start an argument, but your statement implies that it should be "much better" then the 8121U's 10nm process. Obviously, it should be better, hopefully in yields, but what do you have that implies it should be better in anything other then yields?
They are purposefully not bringing it to desktops, at least for the next 1-2 years, which ofcourse implies, it's not doing well. So what do we have to show that it's doing well?
Just trying to justify your post, as sure, it's not the same process anymore, that's what happens as years go on, but that's not necessarily a "positive" statement in itself. Being different isn't necessarily "good".
There's no reason to expect that this years 10nm process will match intels 14nm efficiency or speeds, which is what it would have to do, at bare minimum, to be considered "good", and there's no reason to expect this given their 2 year outlook on desktop processors.
For all we know the ONLY difference between the 8121U and whatever they release this year will be....HOPEFULLY anyways, that they got the GPU finally working, as the 8121U had a GPU, and it never worked. That's all i hope for, and expect.
There is a reason that version of 10nm wasn't used for anything but one niche product you could barely get your hands on. 10nm in 2019 is not the same process anymore.
Not trying to start an argument, but your statement implies that it should be "much better" then the 8121U's 10nm process. Obviously, it should be better, hopefully in yields, but what do you have that implies it should be better in anything other then yields?
They are purposefully not bringing it to desktops, at least for the next 1-2 years, which ofcourse implies, it's not doing well. So what do we have to show that it's doing well?
Just trying to justify your post, as sure, it's not the same process anymore, that's what happens as years go on, but that's not necessarily a "positive" statement in itself. Being different isn't necessarily "good".
There's no reason to expect that this years 10nm process will match intels 14nm efficiency or speeds, which is what it would have to do, at bare minimum, to be considered "good", and there's no reason to expect this given their 2 year outlook on desktop processors.
For all we know the ONLY difference between the 8121U and whatever they release this year will be....HOPEFULLY anyways, that they got the GPU finally working, as the 8121U had a GPU, and it never worked. That's all i hope for, and expect.
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#5663870 Posted on: 04/27/2019 06:47 AM
+1,
In image above we see 8121U consumes ~40%+ more power over 8130U, Do you think that Intel made it go down to ~4W? since this is what they have to do to compete with next gen Ryzen, we all saw the eng.sample vs 9900K.
Also this year we have more refined 9th Gen low power parts, so the Gap vs this 10nm 8121U got bigger too.
I also think that Intel's 7nm will be the solution, the 10nm Fubs gonna have different usage(Tiny Chiplets/dies) - not for HEDT/ High end Desktops.
+1,
In image above we see 8121U consumes ~40%+ more power over 8130U, Do you think that Intel made it go down to ~4W? since this is what they have to do to compete with next gen Ryzen, we all saw the eng.sample vs 9900K.
Also this year we have more refined 9th Gen low power parts, so the Gap vs this 10nm 8121U got bigger too.
I also think that Intel's 7nm will be the solution, the 10nm Fubs gonna have different usage(Tiny Chiplets/dies) - not for HEDT/ High end Desktops.
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#5663900 Posted on: 04/27/2019 10:35 AM
Yield and power efficiency are somewhat related - they are both a product of how close to perfect your process manages to be. Its the same as the "Die lottery", if you get a perfect chip, it'll run higher clocks with less voltages, because otherwise more power is required to overcome small imperfections in the silicon.
So if the only thing they did improve was to make the process less errorprone, that results in higher yield, as well as a cleaner silicon - requiring less power to drive it.
Yield and power efficiency are somewhat related - they are both a product of how close to perfect your process manages to be. Its the same as the "Die lottery", if you get a perfect chip, it'll run higher clocks with less voltages, because otherwise more power is required to overcome small imperfections in the silicon.
So if the only thing they did improve was to make the process less errorprone, that results in higher yield, as well as a cleaner silicon - requiring less power to drive it.
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#5663958 Posted on: 04/27/2019 03:14 PM
Yield and power efficiency are somewhat related - they are both a product of how close to perfect your process manages to be. Its the same as the "Die lottery", if you get a perfect chip, it'll run higher clocks with less voltages, because otherwise more power is required to overcome small imperfections in the silicon.
So if the only thing they did improve was to make the process less errorprone, that results in higher yield, as well as a cleaner silicon - requiring less power to drive it.
That would, perhaps, be true, if Intel didn't already reveal that there won't be any high end 10nm processors in the next 2 years. In light of this info, there's no way they're going to be able to ship 10nm in sufficient volume and quality before 7nm gets ready for mass production.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13683/intel-euvenabled-7nm-process-tech-is-on-track
So yeah, 10nm is dead.
Yield and power efficiency are somewhat related - they are both a product of how close to perfect your process manages to be. Its the same as the "Die lottery", if you get a perfect chip, it'll run higher clocks with less voltages, because otherwise more power is required to overcome small imperfections in the silicon.
So if the only thing they did improve was to make the process less errorprone, that results in higher yield, as well as a cleaner silicon - requiring less power to drive it.
That would, perhaps, be true, if Intel didn't already reveal that there won't be any high end 10nm processors in the next 2 years. In light of this info, there's no way they're going to be able to ship 10nm in sufficient volume and quality before 7nm gets ready for mass production.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13683/intel-euvenabled-7nm-process-tech-is-on-track
So yeah, 10nm is dead.
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#5664023 Posted on: 04/28/2019 12:56 AM
Intel revealed nothing. All this thread and its OP are based on are leaks of an enterprise timeline (not consumer), and wild speculation. Double sourced confirmed information is not to be found.
The article you linked even states that Intel is still going to release datacenter products on 10nm "a bit later" , and datacenter means big chips.
That would, perhaps, be true, if Intel didn't already reveal that there won't be any high end 10nm processors in the next 2 years.
Intel revealed nothing. All this thread and its OP are based on are leaks of an enterprise timeline (not consumer), and wild speculation. Double sourced confirmed information is not to be found.
The article you linked even states that Intel is still going to release datacenter products on 10nm "a bit later" , and datacenter means big chips.
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This here is the real news: Intel's 10nm failed.
Let's hope AMD doesn't take too much advantage of consumers with the massive leverage this gives to them.