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GeForce GTX Series 11 back in the picture? (GeForce GTX 1160 and RTX 2060)
Prior to the RTX launch, people expected a GeForce GTX 1100 series graphics cards. There's no doubt, GeForce RTX 2060 is coming, however, looks to be a limited 2070. That means it has Tensor and RT cores, which makes the product expensive.
A new rumor that floated upstream today over in Asia, the GeForce GTX 1100 series might come into play. The GeForce GTX 1160 (we'll just name it that for now) would be a GPU with no RT (Raytracing) cores, that would save a lot of money and make the mainstream product mainstream priced again.
If this story has any merit then yes, NVIDIA would be splitting towards two product lines, GTX and RTX. Behind a password protected segment at Expreview word is that the new 1100 series would be based on Turing GPUs, just without RT units. I do have a severe reservations about that as it would be very expensive to divert from the existing architecture. Then again, NVIDIA does need an answer to address the market, otherwise, 2019 is going into the history of being their worst year in GPU sales.
The GeForce RTX 2060 would feature TU106-200 GPU, while the GeForce GTX 1160 would be a cut-down TU116 instead. It is mentioned that the product would get tensor cores though.
As usual, take the chatter with a healthy grain of salt and the common disclaimers.
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#5619641 Posted on: 12/21/2018 04:07 PM
*facepalm*
Is there some reason companies don't know how to count anymore?
*facepalm*
Is there some reason companies don't know how to count anymore?
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#5619643 Posted on: 12/21/2018 04:10 PM
This^^ Calling the new cards 1160 seems silly because "average" are going to think they are from an older generation... RTX for RT cards and GTX for non RT makes more sense.
Wtf? Why not just call it GTX2060 and RTX2060. You know, one capable of ray tracing other not.
This^^ Calling the new cards 1160 seems silly because "average" are going to think they are from an older generation... RTX for RT cards and GTX for non RT makes more sense.
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#5619652 Posted on: 12/21/2018 04:21 PM
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#5619653 Posted on: 12/21/2018 04:22 PM
Yeah, initially thats what I thought when they released the RTX, that a GTX version would come out later... but going back in numbers is
:eek _Oo_Oo_O
I agree it should just be GTX2060 and RTX2060.
Not as confusing as i9 9900X (2066) vs. i9 9900K (1151) lol
Yeah, initially thats what I thought when they released the RTX, that a GTX version would come out later... but going back in numbers is
:eek _Oo_Oo_OI agree it should just be GTX2060 and RTX2060.
Not as confusing as i9 9900X (2066) vs. i9 9900K (1151) lol
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#5619655 Posted on: 12/21/2018 04:24 PM
Yep.
Most people don't see enough value in the RTX cards to justify the prices, but they can't cut the price without losing money. They can't go all out and give us a full 1100 series line, or RTX will die a swift death when everyone flocks to the 1180.
The only logical conclusion is a new card in the $250 - $300 range to tide over tge market and keep AMD at bay. It needs to perform roughly at the 1070 level. To avoid confusion, it shouldn't be named RTX, and it would be better to reserve the 2000 series for RTX line. The next logical step is a "GTX 1100" naming, so GTX 1160 makes sense.
Yep.
Most people don't see enough value in the RTX cards to justify the prices, but they can't cut the price without losing money. They can't go all out and give us a full 1100 series line, or RTX will die a swift death when everyone flocks to the 1180.
The only logical conclusion is a new card in the $250 - $300 range to tide over tge market and keep AMD at bay. It needs to perform roughly at the 1070 level. To avoid confusion, it shouldn't be named RTX, and it would be better to reserve the 2000 series for RTX line. The next logical step is a "GTX 1100" naming, so GTX 1160 makes sense.
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#5619718 Posted on: 12/21/2018 08:50 PM
i guess they do not want the gtx branding anywhere close to a 2000 number ?
i guess they do not want the gtx branding anywhere close to a 2000 number ?
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#5619720 Posted on: 12/21/2018 08:56 PM
Oh dear what are you doing nvidia :/
Oh dear what are you doing nvidia :/
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#5619724 Posted on: 12/21/2018 09:16 PM
I'm not interested in such cards, I mean they're not gonna be any faster at traditional rendering than the RTX lineup, which are only about 30% faster than Pascal as it stands, so I don't really care if they're cheaper or not, because they're just not appreciably faster. Well, unless they do a really high end GTX version with significantly more cores than a 2080ti for less money, but I just don't see anything like that happening. They need another die shrink.
I'm not interested in such cards, I mean they're not gonna be any faster at traditional rendering than the RTX lineup, which are only about 30% faster than Pascal as it stands, so I don't really care if they're cheaper or not, because they're just not appreciably faster. Well, unless they do a really high end GTX version with significantly more cores than a 2080ti for less money, but I just don't see anything like that happening. They need another die shrink.
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#5619726 Posted on: 12/21/2018 09:30 PM
I dont know. Can imagine some folks thinking a 2060 is a 2060, RTX or GTX, thus causing returns to retailer for getting the wrong card.
This^^ Calling the new cards 1160 seems silly because "average" are going to think they are from an older generation... RTX for RT cards and GTX for non RT makes more sense.
I dont know. Can imagine some folks thinking a 2060 is a 2060, RTX or GTX, thus causing returns to retailer for getting the wrong card.
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#5619739 Posted on: 12/21/2018 10:19 PM
Same people buying WV Golf GLE thinking they are getting an WV Golf GTI ?
People are stupid, but not that stupid? OR this is noobs3d after all :p
I dont know. Can imagine some folks thinking a 2060 is a 2060, RTX or GTX, thus causing returns to retailer for getting the wrong card.
Same people buying WV Golf GLE thinking they are getting an WV Golf GTI ?
People are stupid, but not that stupid? OR this is noobs3d after all :p
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#5619743 Posted on: 12/21/2018 10:38 PM
While I personally would welcome a GTX 1180 Ti priced at £700 but with the same non-RTX performance as the RTX 2080 Ti, this move could split the GPU market such that the more expensive RTX cards end up selling far less then the others meaning that developer would have less reason to support ray-tracing. Also, for AMD it would means that they would not necessarily have to come with their own RTX equivalent as they could just compete against the cheaper non-RTX cards in the high-end. Ultimately, I think it could mean RTX becomes little more than a gimmick supported in only a handful of NVIDIA sponsored games just like (hardware) PhysX and GameWorks.
Besides, I am not convinced by RTX right now; both the price and performance cost is just simply too high and I honestly have not been that impressed by what I've seen of ray-tracing or DLSS so far. Battlefield V (and any competitive shooter for that matter) doesn't interest me anyway and even if did I would want better performance over prettier reflections so in my opinion they are completely wasted in that game. DLSS as supported in Final Fantasy XV is basically non-native 4K which is great if you use DSR @ 4K on a 1440p screen but if I had a 4K screen then I would say no thanks! RTX effects don't massively transform the visuals in the few (two?) games supported so far and most likely I would not notice them while playing.
If NVIDIA split their cards between RTX and GTX ranges then I think they will be crippling the chance of RTX becoming mainstream because these other cards are going to be cheaper and therefore more appealing to gamers looking for more "bang for their buck". The RTX cards at this point in time are not offering that, not helped by the extremely poor support since they launched three months ago (further enforcing the rumour that they were rushed out before it was ready). I am wondering if NVIDIA really are that stupid that they would do this though?
While I personally would welcome a GTX 1180 Ti priced at £700 but with the same non-RTX performance as the RTX 2080 Ti, this move could split the GPU market such that the more expensive RTX cards end up selling far less then the others meaning that developer would have less reason to support ray-tracing. Also, for AMD it would means that they would not necessarily have to come with their own RTX equivalent as they could just compete against the cheaper non-RTX cards in the high-end. Ultimately, I think it could mean RTX becomes little more than a gimmick supported in only a handful of NVIDIA sponsored games just like (hardware) PhysX and GameWorks.
Besides, I am not convinced by RTX right now; both the price and performance cost is just simply too high and I honestly have not been that impressed by what I've seen of ray-tracing or DLSS so far. Battlefield V (and any competitive shooter for that matter) doesn't interest me anyway and even if did I would want better performance over prettier reflections so in my opinion they are completely wasted in that game. DLSS as supported in Final Fantasy XV is basically non-native 4K which is great if you use DSR @ 4K on a 1440p screen but if I had a 4K screen then I would say no thanks! RTX effects don't massively transform the visuals in the few (two?) games supported so far and most likely I would not notice them while playing.
If NVIDIA split their cards between RTX and GTX ranges then I think they will be crippling the chance of RTX becoming mainstream because these other cards are going to be cheaper and therefore more appealing to gamers looking for more "bang for their buck". The RTX cards at this point in time are not offering that, not helped by the extremely poor support since they launched three months ago (further enforcing the rumour that they were rushed out before it was ready). I am wondering if NVIDIA really are that stupid that they would do this though?
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#5619746 Posted on: 12/21/2018 11:02 PM
Yep.
Most people don't see enough value in the RTX cards to justify the prices, but they can't cut the price without losing money.
Then why is evga.com as well as my local microcenter completely sold out of RTX 2080 ti cards? Just the other day i was at microcenter and they had just gotten ton of them. Clearly people are buying them up the moment they hit the shelves. So much for that "lack of supply" argument.
What i've been seeing is lots of people trying to push this narrative that these cards aren't worth the money in an attempt to divert sales to AMD, but the thing is people want to buy the fastest card available and AMD has no horse in the race.
I know a ton of people who now own these RTX 2080ti cards and not one of them has said anything bad about it. Many of them upgraded from GTX 1080's or 1080 ti's and all say the performance boost was well worth it. I'm more frugal with my money though and will be waiting to upgrade from my GTX 1080 since i have the added expense of a waterblock when i upgrade.
Yep.
Most people don't see enough value in the RTX cards to justify the prices, but they can't cut the price without losing money.
Then why is evga.com as well as my local microcenter completely sold out of RTX 2080 ti cards? Just the other day i was at microcenter and they had just gotten ton of them. Clearly people are buying them up the moment they hit the shelves. So much for that "lack of supply" argument.
What i've been seeing is lots of people trying to push this narrative that these cards aren't worth the money in an attempt to divert sales to AMD, but the thing is people want to buy the fastest card available and AMD has no horse in the race.
I know a ton of people who now own these RTX 2080ti cards and not one of them has said anything bad about it. Many of them upgraded from GTX 1080's or 1080 ti's and all say the performance boost was well worth it. I'm more frugal with my money though and will be waiting to upgrade from my GTX 1080 since i have the added expense of a waterblock when i upgrade.
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#5619748 Posted on: 12/21/2018 11:14 PM
If true this is about NVIDIA making as much money as possible, they simply do not want to lower the prices of the 2000 series....
It will be interesting to see if this makes their stock price go up instead of the current trend of down.
If true this is about NVIDIA making as much money as possible, they simply do not want to lower the prices of the 2000 series....
It will be interesting to see if this makes their stock price go up instead of the current trend of down.
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#5619749 Posted on: 12/21/2018 11:22 PM
I wonder what the price difference will be.
I wonder what the price difference will be.
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Wtf? Why not just call it GTX2060 and RTX2060. You know, one capable of ray tracing other not.