G.SKILL Releases New DDR4 Specifications for Intel Coffee Lake Platform

#5479149 Posted on: 10/06/2017 05:57 PM

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I do see diminishing returns after 3600mhz in those graphics. Beyond 3600mhz, each mhz gives less and cost much more.

#5479151 Posted on: 10/06/2017 06:01 PM

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What a load of ^$^$.

I have seen benchmarks with linear benefits up to the 3600mhz they tested in gaming, especially in minimum frames, with clear benfits over 3600mhz. I'm sure the benefits go higher as well now that we can have faster ram.

Given that you claim 3200mhz is the limit for real benefit, you wouldn't happen to be a ryzen owner with crippled ram support over 3200mhz would you?




Fallout 4 shows a 20% increase in min frames from 3000 to 4000mhz.

And Arma is one of the most graphically demanding games and extremely cpu intensive, and still has about a 12% increase in min frames even when run at 1440p with 8FSAA and ultra settings, those are the are the sort of gains people upgrade a cpu for in the game they play, and in these new boards where they can run 4600mhz out of the box with XMP...why would you gimp yourself with budget ram?

This has got to be the worst. absolutely WORST reply I have EVER seen, not only do you defend yourself but you also defeat yourself in the same post. I love it, did you even look at your post? DO YOU EVEN SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
No? Ok I'll show you your own post. You just showed me the difference between 3000/3600 and 4000 mhz ram which is 3~5fps and in Fallout 4 the difference between 3600 and 4000 is 1, a WHOLE 1 FPS! WOW! AMAZING, Ok now lets look at the price difference.

16GB 3000 DDR4 Ram: 200$ Not too bad (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232487)
16GB 3600 DDR4 Ram: 230$ Meh (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232491)
16GB 4000 DDR Ram: 276$ almost 80$ more (https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/g-skill-releases-new-ddr4-specifications-for-intel-coffee-lake-platform.417233/)

So your going to pay 70~80$ for +4% of performance.. Sorry buddy, your logic is flawed. Here, I have a great video for you to watch.

#5479162 Posted on: 10/06/2017 06:25 PM

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This has got to be the worst. absolutely WORST reply I have EVER seen, not only do you defend yourself but you also defeat yourself in the same post. I love it, did you even look at your post? DO YOU EVEN SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
No? Ok I'll show you your own post. You just showed me the difference between 3000/3600 and 4000 mhz ram which is 3~5fps and in Fallout 4 the difference between 3600 and 4000 is 1, a WHOLE 1 FPS! WOW! AMAZING, Ok now lets look at the price difference.

16GB 3000 DDR4 Ram: 200$ Not too bad (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232487)
16GB 3600 DDR4 Ram: 230$ Meh (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232491)
16GB 4000 DDR Ram: 276$ almost 80$ more (https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/g-skill-releases-new-ddr4-specifications-for-intel-coffee-lake-platform.417233/)

So your going to pay 70~80$ for +4% of performance.. Sorry buddy, your logic is flawed. Here, I have a great video for you to watch.

That video is garbage, linuses reviews are nonsense. His 8700k review showed almost identical performance across the board with ryzen and 7700k in every title, I don't knopw what retarded testing methodology he uses by no other reviewer echoed his results. The same with the ram test, plenty7 have tests have showed a significant difference.
https://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/

My post showed a difference of 10 minimum frames for a 20% boost in fallout 4 from 3000 to 4000mhz, I posted that in response to the claim that there is no difference besides synthetic benchmarks above 3200mhz.

Clearly a 10fps gain from below the refresh rate that everyone on earth has as a minimum from 53 to 63 is extremely substantial.

If you think $76 more for a 20% improvement in minimum frames is not worth is then you are insane. An 8700k here is about $550, and a motherboard for it is $300+, you will already have to buy ram if you are building a PC so you will be spending several hundred dollars on ram anway, $76 is absolutely nothing and ram speeds have shown that there is a significant improvement in minimum frames. If I could get even a 10% improvement in minimum frames in even half the games I play, then that is proportionally the best $76 spent out of all hardware bought.

My last graphics card was $1249. What is this a Scrapwars pc forum?

We are talking about the best gaming cpu, matched with a 1080 or 1080ti and probably an ssd for most people, $76 is absolutely nothing.


That was the WORST rebuttal I have EVER read.

#5479302 Posted on: 10/07/2017 03:28 AM

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That video is garbage, linuses reviews are nonsense. His 8700k review showed almost identical performance across the board with ryzen and 7700k in every title, I don't knopw what retarded testing methodology he uses by no other reviewer echoed his results. The same with the ram test, plenty7 have tests have showed a significant difference.
https://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/

My post showed a difference of 10 minimum frames for a 20% boost in fallout 4 from 3000 to 4000mhz, I posted that in response to the claim that there is no difference besides synthetic benchmarks above 3200mhz.

Clearly a 10fps gain from below the refresh rate that everyone on earth has as a minimum from 53 to 63 is extremely substantial.

If you think $76 more for a 20% improvement in minimum frames is not worth is then you are insane. An 8700k here is about $550, and a motherboard for it is $300+, you will already have to buy ram if you are building a PC so you will be spending several hundred dollars on ram anway, $76 is absolutely nothing and ram speeds have shown that there is a significant improvement in minimum frames. If I could get even a 10% improvement in minimum frames in even half the games I play, then that is proportionally the best $76 spent out of all hardware bought.

My last graphics card was $1249. What is this a Scrapwars pc forum?

We are talking about the best gaming cpu, matched with a 1080 or 1080ti and probably an ssd for most people, $76 is absolutely nothing.


That was the WORST rebuttal I have EVER read.

"On the subject of memory timings, we didn’t see a huge impact on performance when going from , say CAS16 to CAS19, and while the latency does start to creep up this is solved by going to the next speed grade. In short, low-latency DDR4-2400 won’t match the performance of slacker DDR4-3000 memory.

We recommend Skylake builders aim for DDR4-3000 memory, but if you can go faster without paying much more then feel free to do so."

Did you even read the the final statement on that website you posted? I put some bold on some key wording for you so it may stick out a little bit better for you. And finally after getting home from work I was able to read through the entire post, and you most certainly did cherry pick quite a bit form that article, a majority of the graphs you picked actually showed a couple more fps then the average game, which was anywhere from 1-2fps ~ 4-5 fps increase from 3000mhz to 4000mhz. I feel bad for the people you tell to spend the extra cash on that DDR4, for me when I start to see 30-40 FPS increase I'll throw down the extra cash. and to answer you earlier question I dont use ryzen, I have always used intel and also have an 8700k on the way, and I will be happy using my 3200mhz.

And just to back this up even more, even the most prestigious gamers/streamers/PC builders - who are sponsored and make a SHIT ton more money then me who have the BEST CPUs and the BEST GPU's have not gone higher or above 3000mhz.

Summit1g : Corsair Vengeance 64 GB DDR4 3000MHz
Shroud:

Go look up in google the #1 gaming PC right now, it's literally called the "Dream Machine 2017" and you know what ram is in that?

So your going to continue to tell me, that I'm gimping my PC? Well shit I guess all these professional people are too, you better get out and spread the word!!!

#5479315 Posted on: 10/07/2017 05:47 AM

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"On the subject of memory timings, we didn’t see a huge impact on performance when going from , say CAS16 to CAS19, and while the latency does start to creep up this is solved by going to the next speed grade. In short, low-latency DDR4-2400 won’t match the performance of slacker DDR4-3000 memory.

We recommend Skylake builders aim for DDR4-3000 memory, but if you can go faster without paying much more then feel free to do so."

Did you even read the the final statement on that website you posted? I put some bold on some key wording for you so it may stick out a little bit better for you. And finally after getting home from work I was able to read through the entire post, and you most certainly did cherry pick quite a bit form that article, a majority of the graphs you picked actually showed a couple more fps then the average game, which was anywhere from 1-2fps ~ 4-5 fps increase from 3000mhz to 4000mhz. I feel bad for the people you tell to spend the extra cash on that DDR4, for me when I start to see 30-40 FPS increase I'll throw down the extra cash. and to answer you earlier question I dont use ryzen, I have always used intel and also have an 8700k on the way, and I will be happy using my 3200mhz.

And just to back this up even more, even the most prestigious gamers/streamers/PC builders - who are sponsored and make a crap ton more money then me who have the BEST CPUs and the BEST GPU's have not gone higher or above 3000mhz.

Summit1g : Corsair Vengeance 64 GB DDR4 3000MHz
Shroud:

Go look up in google the #1 gaming PC right now, it's literally called the "Dream Machine 2017" and you know what ram is in that?

So your going to continue to tell me, that I'm gimping my PC? Well crap I guess all these professional people are too, you better get out and spread the word!!!

That is so dumb it hurts.

You could use that same ridiculous logic to say that in some games overclocking a cpu from 4ghz to 4.8ghz only gives you 1 more frame, does that mean overclocking is pointless because in that game the benefit is small? When in another game you might gain 20 frames from that overclock, or boost the min frames over 60?

Well I guess if anything over 4ghz is pointless then if we are using that logic, and if anything over 4ghz is pointless then unlocked processors are pointless, and motherboards that cost more because of better overclocking and coolingn those are pointless as well.

Then everyone can run an i5, a gtx 1070 and 3000mhz ram because it's 'enough for most people'

Like I said, what is this, a second hand pc build website or Guru3D?

Oh and nvme hard drives are pointless because in some situations they don't perform better than a sata ssd.

Oh and more than 2 case fans is pointless because there is diminishing returns, high refresh rate monitors are pointless ( especially if you are running the plain jane ram you endorse ).

Yep. No one should buy faster goods that cost proportionally more. That's why everyone on earth drives a 4 cylinder hatch back....and has only one child, and so on and so forth.

Faster ram is not pointless, my becnhmarks show it, overclocked cpus are not pointless, even though sometimes there is no performnace gain in some benches.

It is all situational, depending on your usage an ssd might not be much faster than a mechanial drives if you are opening small files already cached on the drive buffer, that doesn't make ssds pointlesd though.

Also some games and programs there is no performance gain going from an i5 to an i7....I gues that makes 'everything over an i5 pointless )

Lol at the 'dream machine' they used slower ram because 128gb of ram costs a lot of money, not because 64gb of 3600mhz wouldn't be faster and more beneficial, but because idiot fanboys see the '128' and get aroused.

If you don't think that 64 or 32 gig or 3600, 4000, or 4600mhz ram in that pc wouldn't make it faster you are objectively wrong.

Pointing the scenarios where ram speed doesn't boost performance in a specific instance doesn't mean that faster ram doesn't improve performance elsewheren just like my benchmarks showed, and the same with an overclocked cpu and a faster ssd. It all adds up.

This ram is marketed at 8700k owners, not for budget minded cynical peasants trying to justify their ageing hardware.