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Ex Valve Developer Lashes out about Steam "Steam Killing PC Gaming"

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/09/2019 08:33 AM | source: techpowerup.com | 147 comment(s)
Ex Valve Developer Lashes out about Steam

In recent months we've seen a segmentation of PC gaming platforms, EPIC, for example, created their own platform much like Steam offers. Many have been wondering as to why this was needed. People all like their games in one library. Some more details now have surfaced, interesting ones.

Face it I don't like it either, when I start up my graphics card platform IO load up Steam, Origin, Uplay, EPIC, GoG and so on. It's irritating as f***, really. However, it did surprise me to see that the recent launch of the EPIC service went so fast and got so much industry support. Ubisoft quickly followed and placing games on EPIC Store for a commission rate of just 10% and removing them from Steam. 

You need to wonder what really is going on. Much like anything in the world, it's about cool cold cash and apparently so, lots of it. An Ex Valve developer by the name of Richard Geldreich (love the surname btw it's the German equivalent wording for moneyrich) has posted a series tweets in which he gave some answers, and literally, his words are that Valve earns 30% per sale and then advances with words that Valve was "killing PC gaming".

Now I expected that the Steam premium would be steam steep, but not 30% steep, still it's better than retail who eat a 50% cut, but surely such number does not fit in this day and era of digital distribution. And that's the sole reason why you can see companies move and create new game platforms. I for one am happy to make a move towards the EPIC game store, but do like the convenience of all my games at one easy to use platform.

Have a peek at some of his tweets:



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Astyanax
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#5658269 Posted on: 04/09/2019 08:39 AM
Angry fired guy has axe to grind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/valve/comments/8zmp07/former-valve-employee-tweets-his-experience-at/


The guy was at Valve to work on Linux, the project went nowhere (like many R&D projects at Valve), and he left bitter that his work contributed to basically nothing (where is Steam Linux now? nowhere to be found), so he resorted to badmouthing the whole structure and the people working there (without giving out names to avoid lawsuits).

His rants about "intruders" messing with "his" code, "his" repos, and how he perceives so many social interactions between workers as sources of anxiety and betrayals (going as far as saying "So-called “self organizing” companies are controlled by mass anxiety") really shows he has serious troubles with group work and socializing at the workplace.


https://www.reddit.com/r/valve/comments/8zmp07/former-valve-employee-tweets-his-experience-at/e2m8jtw/


Dong_Key_Hoe_Tay 155 points 8 months ago*


As somebody who has worked in triple A for years now, including time in a very toxic company, this guy is still straight up delusional.

No company on earth will hire you just so they can hire your friends and then fire you. That's so wildly impractical I can't even begin to break it down. Half the shit he's describing sounds like the ranting of somebody who has gone off their meds.

There are definitely things to watch out for with any company, and bits of good advice here and there, but in general I would not take this dude seriously. In the most toxic, depressing, dog-eat-dog company I ever worked things weren't anywhere near this level. And some of what he's saying is so obviously wrong or the product of extreme paranoia that I'm surprised anyone is even listening to him.

Edit: More...

This seems like a classic case of "if it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your own boot." This dude seems very toxic, like the kind of person who would lose his pen and immediately start shouting at his colleagues asking who stole it instead of checking under his desk. So many red flags:

"People will shit up your code so just make everything private/local so they can't." - This is both very indicative of egotism, extremely detrimental to a team, and fucking crazy from a collaboration standpoint. Working with a team together on a code base means almost inevitably people will have to touch your stuff. If you can't get over that, you are probably not somebody who should work on a team.

"Coworkers will sabotage you if you ask for help." - Never in my life have I seen a place so toxic that this would happen (in the industry at least--retail? maybe). My interpretation here is that somebody accidentally gave him bad information and he decided it was sabotage.

"" - This is super hypocritical after all the toxicity he's supposedly decrying. He's also very mercenary about work relationships, in such a way that tells me he would be absolutely obnoxious to work with, trying to manipulate people to get things he wants instead of just being friendly and candid. Not every work environment is going to be a garden of honesty and friendship, but this guy sounds like he's going to war with a bunch of folks who are probably just interested in doing their job.

All these tweets are telling me, personally, is that I would never want to hire this guy, or work with him on a team. It's true that one should be wary of corporations and their internal machinations, and there is a certain level of politics and ugliness almost everywhere you go, but what he describes is far beyond the point of reason IMO. He seems to believe everyone is out to get him.


fantaskarsef
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#5658272 Posted on: 04/09/2019 08:45 AM
I agree that steam needs to be tackled.
I do not see "AAA games" turning over to Epic and leaving steam with "indie/2ndtief/shovelware/porn", I more think that's what he wants to see, but this ain't happening.

I don't agree that Epic is going to save anybody... games cost just the same for the consumers, so that 30% tax now only stays in a different pocket, it is NOT saved and does NOT help PC gaming besides cutting down on the risk of financing a game.
So... it helps devs, maybe, and that's a big maybe. It helps publishers, a lot. But other than that, a lower cut does nothing for the industry. And that superficial way of seeing it is what makes me upset about Epic's side, or most people trying to defend them.

All in all, 2/3 of those tweets are rubbish imho. If I miss to see the bigger picture here, feel free to educate me on how exactly Epic is saving anything, let alone PC gaming.

And now everybody defending Epic, please come in, your type is asked.

WhiteLightning
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#5658274 Posted on: 04/09/2019 08:49 AM
I agree with his tweets. valve's dominance has been too much these years.

RealNC
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#5658276 Posted on: 04/09/2019 08:59 AM
Now I expected that the Steam premium would be steep, but not 30% steep

Eh? This was a known fact for a long time.

cryohellinc
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#5658287 Posted on: 04/09/2019 09:24 AM
What always baffles me is the army of fanboys that defends one platform over another. I agree to all those tweets, as they make perfect sense.
From a consumer standpoint, the more platforms we have will result in competition and as a result, this only provides benefits to the end customer.

Hell, already we see a significant change on the market following actions of Epic, yes they have some shady practices as of right now, but still - some great titles are coming to PC which for years gamers could only hope for.

Monopoly is never good for the end customer.

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