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EA tests self-learning AI agents in Battlefield 1
EA tests the use of virtual players who in Battlefield 1 teach themselves the basic skills virtually from scratch by using artificial intelligence.
In this blog post, Magnus Nordin from SEED details how his team, inspired by Google’s work with old Atari games, wondered “how much effort it would take to have a self-learning agent learn to play a modern and more complex first person AAA game like Battlefield”. The AI-controlled troops in the game learned how to play after watching human players, then parallel training against other bots. The AI soldiers even learned how to pick up ammo or health when they're running low, much like you or I do.
The results are an 'agen'” that, while inferior to human players, “is pretty proficient at the basic Battlefield gameplay”. The agent changes behaviour if it’s low on health or ammo, and while more complex behaviours like knowing the details of each map are beyond it (at the moment), EA has found that “while the human players outperformed the agents, it wasn’t a complete blowout by any stretch.”
Nordin noted that AI agents can hold their own against humans when they're pitted against live players in a simple game mode that's been restricted to handguns. The next step, says Nordin, will be training the network to deal with more complex strategies "like teamwork, knowing the map and being familiar with individual classes and equipment." While the agents still get confused or stuck in behavior loops, EA sees promise here for the future of neural networks and machine learning in games.
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#5530786 Posted on: 03/23/2018 08:44 AM
So EA is making bots now to farm their own lootbox games and sell what they get for additional $?
So EA is making bots now to farm their own lootbox games and sell what they get for additional $?
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#5530818 Posted on: 03/23/2018 11:25 AM
They had bots in Battlefield 2. Now they need AI to do the same thing ?
They had bots in Battlefield 2. Now they need AI to do the same thing ?
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#5530822 Posted on: 03/23/2018 12:09 PM
Kinda like dungeon keeper then. Pay more to make 'em go faster
So EA is making bots now to farm their own lootbox games and sell what they get for additional $?
Kinda like dungeon keeper then. Pay more to make 'em go faster
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#5530823 Posted on: 03/23/2018 12:09 PM
I wonder if they are using this to train a "tactically" smart AI to implement into a future Battlefield game, as you say, previous games did have bots, but they were kind of stupid...
They had bots in Battlefield 2. Now they need AI to do the same thing ?
I wonder if they are using this to train a "tactically" smart AI to implement into a future Battlefield game, as you say, previous games did have bots, but they were kind of stupid...
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#5530825 Posted on: 03/23/2018 12:20 PM
Bots will always see-saw between dumbass and cheater. It's always a new gimmick to sell with them.
I wonder if they are using this to train a "tactically" smart AI to implement into a future Battlefield game, as you say, previous games did have bots, but they were kind of stupid...
Bots will always see-saw between dumbass and cheater. It's always a new gimmick to sell with them.
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#5530853 Posted on: 03/23/2018 02:33 PM
This is an interesting project, but a bit hypocritical and wasteful:
* One of the reasons EA does MTs is because, according to them, making games is too expensive. And yet here they are, spending all this time and money constructing an AI that learns how to play a game. How exactly is them doing this ever going to yield a profit?
* "Back in my day", games came with bots you could play against, and for the most part were pretty skilled. Whether you were playing a FPS or an RTS, a lot of them could form strategies and understand the game mode. This was back when crappy 32-bit single-core CPUs were still popular. So, it really doesn't make sense to me why EA is doing this. This method is expensive and inefficient in comparison.
This is an interesting project, but a bit hypocritical and wasteful:
* One of the reasons EA does MTs is because, according to them, making games is too expensive. And yet here they are, spending all this time and money constructing an AI that learns how to play a game. How exactly is them doing this ever going to yield a profit?
* "Back in my day", games came with bots you could play against, and for the most part were pretty skilled. Whether you were playing a FPS or an RTS, a lot of them could form strategies and understand the game mode. This was back when crappy 32-bit single-core CPUs were still popular. So, it really doesn't make sense to me why EA is doing this. This method is expensive and inefficient in comparison.
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#5530879 Posted on: 03/23/2018 04:09 PM
Some issues from past experiences (ways bots were designed), that seemed to be also in the video of this early thing, that it's not really visual based, but they're given location based information - target through objects, or more often through pass-through objects, like bushes - aren't optically fooled.
Still, definitely a fun system to design and play around with.
Some issues from past experiences (ways bots were designed), that seemed to be also in the video of this early thing, that it's not really visual based, but they're given location based information - target through objects, or more often through pass-through objects, like bushes - aren't optically fooled.
Still, definitely a fun system to design and play around with.
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#5530912 Posted on: 03/23/2018 05:51 PM
It feels like no one is playing the game so they want Bots to fill the gaps? That's how it seems to me.
It feels like no one is playing the game so they want Bots to fill the gaps? That's how it seems to me.
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#5531076 Posted on: 03/24/2018 06:04 AM
This is an interesting project, but a bit hypocritical and wasteful:
* One of the reasons EA does MTs is because, according to them, making games is too expensive. And yet here they are, spending all this time and money constructing an AI that learns how to play a game. How exactly is them doing this ever going to yield a profit?
* "Back in my day", games came with bots you could play against, and for the most part were pretty skilled. Whether you were playing a FPS or an RTS, a lot of them could form strategies and understand the game mode. This was back when crappy 32-bit single-core CPUs were still popular. So, it really doesn't make sense to me why EA is doing this. This method is expensive and inefficient in comparison.
I imagined a potential method would be to deploy them with new guns/gear/camos only found in loot boxes and let them play on public servers...and win. Making people want to open loot boxes to get that stuff?
This is an interesting project, but a bit hypocritical and wasteful:
* One of the reasons EA does MTs is because, according to them, making games is too expensive. And yet here they are, spending all this time and money constructing an AI that learns how to play a game. How exactly is them doing this ever going to yield a profit?
* "Back in my day", games came with bots you could play against, and for the most part were pretty skilled. Whether you were playing a FPS or an RTS, a lot of them could form strategies and understand the game mode. This was back when crappy 32-bit single-core CPUs were still popular. So, it really doesn't make sense to me why EA is doing this. This method is expensive and inefficient in comparison.
I imagined a potential method would be to deploy them with new guns/gear/camos only found in loot boxes and let them play on public servers...and win. Making people want to open loot boxes to get that stuff?
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#5531079 Posted on: 03/24/2018 06:18 AM
So they learn by watching real human players? Then I expect the AI to run around in circles banging into things, never spot or shoot at enemy, never drop ammo or health, and then complain on reddit that the enemy are overpowered until DICE nerf things for them.
So they learn by watching real human players? Then I expect the AI to run around in circles banging into things, never spot or shoot at enemy, never drop ammo or health, and then complain on reddit that the enemy are overpowered until DICE nerf things for them.
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#5531086 Posted on: 03/24/2018 07:01 AM
Some issues from past experiences (ways bots were designed), that seemed to be also in the video of this early thing, that it's not really visual based, but they're given location based information - target through objects, or more often through pass-through objects, like bushes - aren't optically fooled.
Still, definitely a fun system to design and play around with.
That's consequence from them being controlled by one AI here. Secondly, you very well approximate position of other players based on sound they make. AI does it better.
Sound in CS 1.6 was more than enough for you to shoot people accurately through walls. (If you knew which can be shot through.)
Some issues from past experiences (ways bots were designed), that seemed to be also in the video of this early thing, that it's not really visual based, but they're given location based information - target through objects, or more often through pass-through objects, like bushes - aren't optically fooled.
Still, definitely a fun system to design and play around with.
That's consequence from them being controlled by one AI here. Secondly, you very well approximate position of other players based on sound they make. AI does it better.
Sound in CS 1.6 was more than enough for you to shoot people accurately through walls. (If you knew which can be shot through.)
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#5531207 Posted on: 03/24/2018 07:14 PM
I think having Bots in a multiplayer game allows for cheaters to create aimbots and other cheats because they are already included in the game if bots are built into that said game. That's how cheaters used to make cheats years ago. Not sure if that's still the case now but highly likely.
Imagine if you could use this AI, hard to detect because it's based off of human behavior.
I think having Bots in a multiplayer game allows for cheaters to create aimbots and other cheats because they are already included in the game if bots are built into that said game. That's how cheaters used to make cheats years ago. Not sure if that's still the case now but highly likely.
Imagine if you could use this AI, hard to detect because it's based off of human behavior.
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#5531226 Posted on: 03/24/2018 08:53 PM
Hopefully this will ultimately lead to smarter AI bots in single player games. I'm currently playing Vermintide 2, and the bots are not very intuitive; they are helpful, but not intuitive.
Hopefully this will ultimately lead to smarter AI bots in single player games. I'm currently playing Vermintide 2, and the bots are not very intuitive; they are helpful, but not intuitive.
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#5531350 Posted on: 03/25/2018 12:46 PM
Your all missing the actual point they want to make these bots so they can mimic real players that way when there games are dead because everyone is boycotting EA they will deploy the bots with real names and hope people can't tell the difference / prove there bots not real players
Your all missing the actual point they want to make these bots so they can mimic real players that way when there games are dead because everyone is boycotting EA they will deploy the bots with real names and hope people can't tell the difference / prove there bots not real players
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Next step they will teach them how to go to work and earn money. And then Micro transaction the HELL out of them.