Display makers: more 8K TVs will be released in 2019

#5620970 Posted on: 12/26/2018 10:20 AM

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We don't even have content for 4K. Some TV stations still broadcast on 480p and not everyone jumped on 1080p.
4K content is still very limited and can be found only on few very expensive subscription based channels and on BlueRay movies and few streaming services.
What is the purpose of 8K when there is no content to take advantage?
I would say they should first push 4K on everything and then we talk about something larger.

#5620973 Posted on: 12/26/2018 10:29 AM

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We don't even have content for 4K. Some TV stations still broadcast on 480p and not everyone jumped on 1080p.
4K content is still very limited and can be found only on few very expensive subscription based channels and on BlueRay movies and few streaming services.
What is the purpose of 8K when there is no content to take advantage?
I would say they should first push 4K on everything and then we talk about something larger.
Content shouldn't stop the progress of panels. With 8K you can have a TV instead of wall.

#5620977 Posted on: 12/26/2018 11:03 AM

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I think that for PC it will be usable (135 PPI @65") - for example 3d Artist/Painters who can use the big Canvas @ PC monitor Sharpness level.- but not for a TV that you watch from over 2 Meters away,

#5621013 Posted on: 12/26/2018 01:20 PM

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I asume prices for 4k screen will go down when 8k panels hit the market

#5621022 Posted on: 12/26/2018 02:16 PM

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I think right now 8k will be more of a attention getter, a publicity stunt if you will, to allow the companies to "show their stuff" and cause a buzz of the companies with 8k sets. Supposedly you will be able to watch from one inch away, at 32 megapixels per frame, and not see any pixilation. The picture on screen at any size will have the appearance of a photograph moving on your screen. Yes there is no content for it now, and only rich snobs will have them at $15000 a pop for snob bragging rights. But it will be good for us peons say 6-8 years down the road when Movies and t.v. catch up to the technology and put out 8k content. For now though 4k makes sense, 8k not so much.

#5621045 Posted on: 12/26/2018 03:36 PM

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#5621053 Posted on: 12/26/2018 03:48 PM

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4k will do for me for the next few years, then we shall see.

#5621054 Posted on: 12/26/2018 03:49 PM

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That's a chicken and egg problem. If there's no 8K content then nobody will buy 8K displays. If there's no 8K displays, nobody will make 8K content.

Considering how quickly technology is advancing and how slow 4K seems to be adopted, part of me wonders if maybe 4K should just be skipped entirely and only focus on 8K. It's better to take a higher resolution and downscale it than it is to take a low resolution and upscale. Generally speaking, if you don't have hardware capable of playing 8K videos (even if downscaled to 4K), you probably don't have hardware capable of playing 4K content either (I do understand this statement isn't unanimously true).

Anyway, despite everything I just said, I have no interest in 8K whatsoever. For the average large-format display in a livingroom, I'd argue 5K is already reaching a point of diminishing returns, and I find 4K unnecessary for the average PC monitor (I'm not saying you can't tell the difference, but rather the differences aren't worth the elevated expense). 8K would be ok for something like a home theater, where you have a 3m+ display, but that's incredibly niche.


As far as I'm concerned, 8K is one of those things where people say "it's better because it's a bigger number and therefore I should have it in order to flex my status". It doesn't matter how unnecessary or even wasteful it may be, people will buy it anyway.

#5621058 Posted on: 12/26/2018 04:05 PM

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Most TV stations haven't migrated from 720p on air but have 1080p on cable. I think movies are already available at 4K too.
Allot of youtube creators are carrying RED cameras capturing 8K, and most moderate to big ones have 4k already.
I think the problem is hardware and ISP speeds, not content. My 2500k barely has the power to play 4k, anything higher it can't display.
Then there's the problem of ISP speed and buffering.
When 4k came it was stupid expensive and everyone said it wasn't needed, but it pushed 1/2k really cheap. 8k will push 4k down in price eventually and it's a win win for consumers.

#5621062 Posted on: 12/26/2018 04:15 PM

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I was thinking of mentioning this myself. I find it kinda funny how Youtubers seem to have better quality videos than Hollywood. Even if they don't have RED cameras, there are a LOT of Youtubers with some sort of legit 4K-capable camera and 1080p@60FPS is also becoming pretty common too. A lot of people might not like the "soap opera effect" but 60FPS is enjoyable if you watch it long enough.

Thank you. Last time I made this point, I was told such things are a non-issue.

That's a good point, though I'd say 4K is no longer all that expensive. It obviously costs more than 1080p, but I'd say prices for 4K displays have been pretty reasonable for a little bit over a year now. What makes 4K especially expensive is hardware capable of playing 4K@60FPS content for it (whether that be games or videos; you can play 4K@30FPS videos on a budget).

#5621078 Posted on: 12/26/2018 04:46 PM

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And what for? Lots of channels are not even FHD yet...
Bring OLED or mLED to PC gaming with 120Hz and we can talk...

#5621082 Posted on: 12/26/2018 04:59 PM

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for japan, NHK already starting 8k broadcast, while rest 17 channels 4k
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181201/p2g/00m/0bu/048000c

for outside japan, afaik many 4k TV is already Smart-TV (android based)
which should have function to watch streams, youtube, netflix, amazon-prime which is the source content for 4k
the only problem probably the ISP, overloaded with high-streaming-bandwith

#5621083 Posted on: 12/26/2018 05:04 PM

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And what for? Lots of channels are not even FHD yet...
Bring OLED or mLED to PC gaming with 120Hz and we can talk...

120hz wont be common, it for specific usage to gaming
while resolution is applied to common things

for OLED mLED... anything that didnt have burn-in fast is good
aside the price, i believe many people considering burn-in when getting oled display

if we look at this test, even VA look the best panel (reliable-wise) compared to OLED & IPS : https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
but again that OLED burn-in is the worst

#5621100 Posted on: 12/26/2018 06:00 PM

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and here we have badly compressed video feeds from most cable/satellite providers that barely pass as 720p of a uncompressed feed, there 1080p dont even come close to uncompressed, they have next to no 4k content and when they do is even more compressed but when they do it can be compared to 1080p of bluray.

Most channels on Fios/Dish/etc etc all look horrible imo, from PC stand point and gaming forget it GPU cant even handle 4k proper without a super expensive gpu never mind 8k, and consoles will be the same stuff 300-400$ console cant even do 4 k proper yet. and I dont think the nextgen of consoles will either, not with out there base cost being 1.5x what they are now which i would not be surpised if it happens.

For most part I think Netflix and other such service have better PQ then most cable/satellite service, there 1080p for most part come close bluray pq for most part.

Either way I just got 4k i not geting 8k any time soon, GPU and cable/satellites service and everything else need to be able to give 4k properly before. Like I said I still waiting for proper 1080p and they switching to 4k only tv 1080p and lower tv are rare now. maybe we get proper 1080p from that stuff when we start to have 4k as normal which would make 1080p the min which could be years off and by that i mean 5 more years atlest

I was thinking of mentioning this myself. I find it kinda funny how Youtubers seem to have better quality videos than Hollywood. Even if they don't have RED cameras, there are a LOT of Youtubers with some sort of legit 4K-capable camera and 1080p@60FPS is also becoming pretty common too. A lot of people might not like the "soap opera effect" but 60FPS is enjoyable if you watch it long enough.

Thank you. Last time I made this point, I was told such things are a non-issue.

That's a good point, though I'd say 4K is no longer all that expensive. It obviously costs more than 1080p, but I'd say prices for 4K displays have been pretty reasonable for a little bit over a year now. What makes 4K especially expensive is hardware capable of playing 4K@60FPS content for it (whether that be games or videos; you can play 4K@30FPS videos on a budget).

debatable I think 1080p on youtube is bad like most cable/satellites and there 4k is equal to 1080p bluray, but you right it better then most long as you dont compared to proper 1080p/4k feed.

I still despise soap effect I had it on for 6+ months with this tv and just couldnt take it anymore and turned it off, rather have proper 60fps content then the fake stuff.

#5621108 Posted on: 12/26/2018 06:11 PM

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What is the purpose of 8K when there is no content to take advantage?
Even if there were content and unlimited bandwidth available, still no point in 8k from a consumer perspective. Due to screen size required to appreciate the ultra high res. Meaning, you will not be able to tell the difference, even from 6' away for 65" 4k vs 65" 8k TVs. Where 8k may be of use is movies or facilities with much larger screens.

Basically, its all a marketing ploy to fool consumers with the 'moar is better' principle.