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Disney Pressured EA to remove Micro-transactions from BattleFront II
EA halted in-game sales of virtual goods in its high-profile sequel to “Star Wars Battlefront” on the eve of the game’s launch, bowing to pressure from Walt Disney Co. as well as customers who fear big spenders could gain an unfair edge over other players.
This news is reported by the Wall Street Journal, Disney pressured EA as yes, they have a movie coming up, Star Wars: The Last Jedi launching December 13th.
EA has been under massive under attack asking for inappropriate amounts of time and money to unlock certain heroes, for example, Darth Vader. The public opinion is that with 70 euros they already pay enough for the game, gamers who do not shy away from spending, even more, money will get unfair gameplay advantages, called pay2win.
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#5493980 Posted on: 11/20/2017 10:58 AM
I am totally against pay to be better, that I totally agree with.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
Games with unlimited saves/respawns/continues as well as no punishment for dying are just way too easy.
I play Diablo 3 on hardcore, because the thrill of dying adds to the excitement, not the same tedious, if I die, no punishment.... Maybe it's me, but I hate this baby state of people thinking they deserve to be the top when the effort they put in is negligible.
Come on man, 40 hours for ONE character is a very long amount of time. Keep in mind that it's effective gameplay.
The idea is that they made the characters very hard to unlock in order to encourage you to spend money on loot boxes. That's a dick move and it's the reason why one of their comments became the most downvoted in the history of reddit (by a very large amount from the 2nd most downvoted).
IIRC, I finished Witcher 3 in a bit over 40 hours. Dragon Age: Inquisition took around the same.
I am totally against pay to be better, that I totally agree with.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
Games with unlimited saves/respawns/continues as well as no punishment for dying are just way too easy.
I play Diablo 3 on hardcore, because the thrill of dying adds to the excitement, not the same tedious, if I die, no punishment.... Maybe it's me, but I hate this baby state of people thinking they deserve to be the top when the effort they put in is negligible.
Come on man, 40 hours for ONE character is a very long amount of time. Keep in mind that it's effective gameplay.
The idea is that they made the characters very hard to unlock in order to encourage you to spend money on loot boxes. That's a dick move and it's the reason why one of their comments became the most downvoted in the history of reddit (by a very large amount from the 2nd most downvoted).
IIRC, I finished Witcher 3 in a bit over 40 hours. Dragon Age: Inquisition took around the same.
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#5493989 Posted on: 11/20/2017 11:26 AM
I am totally against pay to be better, that I totally agree with.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
Games with unlimited saves/respawns/continues as well as no punishment for dying are just way too easy.
I play Diablo 3 on hardcore, because the thrill of dying adds to the excitement, not the same tedious, if I die, no punishment.... Maybe it's me, but I hate this baby state of people thinking they deserve to be the top when the effort they put in is negligible.
You choose to play Hardcore in Diablo if you like it. Would you like that others would be able to get stronger in hardcore by paying? (I know that doesnt really affect you in Diablo, but lets imagine the game had actual open world PvP and they could kill you)
Thats the problem, your gameplay being affected by other players that payed extra money to get stronger.
I am totally against pay to be better, that I totally agree with.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
Games with unlimited saves/respawns/continues as well as no punishment for dying are just way too easy.
I play Diablo 3 on hardcore, because the thrill of dying adds to the excitement, not the same tedious, if I die, no punishment.... Maybe it's me, but I hate this baby state of people thinking they deserve to be the top when the effort they put in is negligible.
You choose to play Hardcore in Diablo if you like it. Would you like that others would be able to get stronger in hardcore by paying? (I know that doesnt really affect you in Diablo, but lets imagine the game had actual open world PvP and they could kill you)
Thats the problem, your gameplay being affected by other players that payed extra money to get stronger.
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#5494001 Posted on: 11/20/2017 12:13 PM
Ha ha... so much for EAs apology to its customers... "We hear you loud and clear, so we're turning off all in-game purchases..." When in reality they were forced to turn off the transactions by Disney.
Ha ha... so much for EAs apology to its customers... "We hear you loud and clear, so we're turning off all in-game purchases..." When in reality they were forced to turn off the transactions by Disney.
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#5494017 Posted on: 11/20/2017 01:21 PM
Wait, Disney... morals... what?!
Wait, Disney... morals... what?!
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#5494022 Posted on: 11/20/2017 01:31 PM
They're more likely worried about game sales than any morals. If people were buying loot crates or whatever they're called inSW:BF2 without any protests, Disney couldn't care less.
Wait, Disney... morals... what?!
They're more likely worried about game sales than any morals. If people were buying loot crates or whatever they're called inSW:BF2 without any protests, Disney couldn't care less.
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#5494024 Posted on: 11/20/2017 01:33 PM
Mickey Mouse altered the deal.
Mickey Mouse altered the deal.
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#5494025 Posted on: 11/20/2017 01:33 PM
Wait, Disney... morals... what?!
Mickey Mouse altered the deal.
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#5494027 Posted on: 11/20/2017 01:38 PM
Pushing kids (main target of SW games) to anything resambling gambling in games is not good PR for Dysney.
In example this kind of articles ( in Fortune.com site!) is a nightmare for Disney PR:
http://fortune.com/2017/11/15/star-wars-battlefront-gambling-disney-electronic-arts-loot-box-crate/
https://twitter.com/ScarcyRS/status/930447060578512896/photo/1
Pushing kids (main target of SW games) to anything resambling gambling in games is not good PR for Dysney.
In example this kind of articles ( in Fortune.com site!) is a nightmare for Disney PR:
http://fortune.com/2017/11/15/star-wars-battlefront-gambling-disney-electronic-arts-loot-box-crate/
https://twitter.com/ScarcyRS/status/930447060578512896/photo/1
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#5494032 Posted on: 11/20/2017 02:10 PM
I am totally against pay to be better, that I totally agree with.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
Games with unlimited saves/respawns/continues as well as no punishment for dying are just way too easy.
I play Diablo 3 on hardcore, because the thrill of dying adds to the excitement, not the same tedious, if I die, no punishment.... Maybe it's me, but I hate this baby state of people thinking they deserve to be the top when the effort they put in is negligible.
If it's the only game you play constant without stopping, 40 hours is nothing. But this game is not a 40 hour single play game, it's not a 5 hour single play game. It gets boring fast. Truth be told, I hardly see a difference in gameplay from the first Star Wars Battlefront.
Just to clarify, I don't think loot crates are a bad idea. I think loot crates you pay for to get an advantage in game(ahem Black Ops III also), is a bad idea. Most games that have loot crates are for visual affects, or games like Paragon where you can easily obtain cards from either buying them or from playing the game and grinding a fair amount.
I am totally against pay to be better, that I totally agree with.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
Games with unlimited saves/respawns/continues as well as no punishment for dying are just way too easy.
I play Diablo 3 on hardcore, because the thrill of dying adds to the excitement, not the same tedious, if I die, no punishment.... Maybe it's me, but I hate this baby state of people thinking they deserve to be the top when the effort they put in is negligible.
If it's the only game you play constant without stopping, 40 hours is nothing. But this game is not a 40 hour single play game, it's not a 5 hour single play game. It gets boring fast. Truth be told, I hardly see a difference in gameplay from the first Star Wars Battlefront.
Just to clarify, I don't think loot crates are a bad idea. I think loot crates you pay for to get an advantage in game(ahem Black Ops III also), is a bad idea. Most games that have loot crates are for visual affects, or games like Paragon where you can easily obtain cards from either buying them or from playing the game and grinding a fair amount.
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#5494037 Posted on: 11/20/2017 02:19 PM
If it's the only game you play constant without stopping, 40 hours is nothing. But this game is not a 40 hour single play game, it's not a 5 hour single play game. It gets boring fast. Truth be told, I hardly see a difference in gameplay from the first Star Wars Battlefront.
Just to clarify, I don't think loot crates are a bad idea. I think loot crates you pay for to get an advantage in game(ahem Black Ops III also), is a bad idea. Most games that have loot crates are for visual affects, or games like Paragon where you can easily obtain cards from either buying them or from playing the game and grinding a fair amount.
This is basically it... if it's not pay2win, people wouldn't call out half as loud. I don't mind Overwatch's system for instance, EVERYTHING ist just of cosmetic nature. Gambling being one thing, but not gaining any in game advantages through paying is done right there. And I can't imagine Blizzard making little money on that, more the contrary...
If it's the only game you play constant without stopping, 40 hours is nothing. But this game is not a 40 hour single play game, it's not a 5 hour single play game. It gets boring fast. Truth be told, I hardly see a difference in gameplay from the first Star Wars Battlefront.
Just to clarify, I don't think loot crates are a bad idea. I think loot crates you pay for to get an advantage in game(ahem Black Ops III also), is a bad idea. Most games that have loot crates are for visual affects, or games like Paragon where you can easily obtain cards from either buying them or from playing the game and grinding a fair amount.
This is basically it... if it's not pay2win, people wouldn't call out half as loud. I don't mind Overwatch's system for instance, EVERYTHING ist just of cosmetic nature. Gambling being one thing, but not gaining any in game advantages through paying is done right there. And I can't imagine Blizzard making little money on that, more the contrary...
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#5494040 Posted on: 11/20/2017 02:25 PM
Overwatch makes its own money lol, the loot boxes are one thing though but I dare say Overwatch and Blizzard in general makes money off of merchandise.
This is basically it... if it's not pay2win, people wouldn't call out half as loud. I don't mind Overwatch's system for instance, EVERYTHING ist just of cosmetic nature. Gambling being one thing, but not gaining any in game advantages through paying is done right there. And I can't imagine Blizzard making little money on that, more the contrary...
Overwatch makes its own money lol, the loot boxes are one thing though but I dare say Overwatch and Blizzard in general makes money off of merchandise.
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#5494047 Posted on: 11/20/2017 02:40 PM
Yes they have TONS of that stuff, then again, the best money maker for Overwatch probably are the smurf accounts... seems like everybody has at least one (two accounts in total). Lootboxes also make some good money I can imagine, but people paying twice for one game is way faster hehe.
Overwatch makes its own money lol, the loot boxes are one thing though but I dare say Overwatch and Blizzard in general makes money off of merchandise.
Yes they have TONS of that stuff, then again, the best money maker for Overwatch probably are the smurf accounts... seems like everybody has at least one (two accounts in total). Lootboxes also make some good money I can imagine, but people paying twice for one game is way faster hehe.
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#5494068 Posted on: 11/20/2017 03:35 PM
But that's exactly the problem with it - you spend 40 hours of playing for one character, and you get that character regardless of your skill. You didn't "earn" the character, you just simply unlocked it due to having too much time to kill. For me, 40 hours is probably the average amount of time I spend playing a game, ever. Y'know what's actually fun? Unlocking a character because you actually achieved something. Fighting games (whether that's Super Smash Bros, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat, etc) are a perfect example of using your skill and devotion to unlock characters and items. These games reward you for not just playing, but playing well. Being a couch potato for 40 hours to get one character is not rewarding. Even EA knows this, which is why you they had you pay to avoid the time limit. If I had to sit around for 40 hours to get a new skin or outfit, that's fine with me. That shows you're a devoted player, but it doesn't say anything about your skill level.
I'm not even sure they care that much about sales, but rather not having the Star Wars name (or their own name) tarnished. Disney is a greedy company, but unlike EA, they're usually pretty good about not being so obvious about it. They want your money, but they know that happy customers have the highest yields.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
But that's exactly the problem with it - you spend 40 hours of playing for one character, and you get that character regardless of your skill. You didn't "earn" the character, you just simply unlocked it due to having too much time to kill. For me, 40 hours is probably the average amount of time I spend playing a game, ever. Y'know what's actually fun? Unlocking a character because you actually achieved something. Fighting games (whether that's Super Smash Bros, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat, etc) are a perfect example of using your skill and devotion to unlock characters and items. These games reward you for not just playing, but playing well. Being a couch potato for 40 hours to get one character is not rewarding. Even EA knows this, which is why you they had you pay to avoid the time limit. If I had to sit around for 40 hours to get a new skin or outfit, that's fine with me. That shows you're a devoted player, but it doesn't say anything about your skill level.
They're more likely worried about game sales than any morals. If people were buying loot crates or whatever they're called inSW:BF2 without any protests, Disney couldn't care less.
I'm not even sure they care that much about sales, but rather not having the Star Wars name (or their own name) tarnished. Disney is a greedy company, but unlike EA, they're usually pretty good about not being so obvious about it. They want your money, but they know that happy customers have the highest yields.
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#5494097 Posted on: 11/20/2017 05:04 PM
maybe the can pressure EA to remove it from swtor too so they are actual forced to work on actual content that ISNT solo play, and actual add multplayer/group content and actual fix buggs too
maybe the can pressure EA to remove it from swtor too so they are actual forced to work on actual content that ISNT solo play, and actual add multplayer/group content and actual fix buggs too
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I am totally against pay to be better, that I totally agree with.
What I don't understand is why people are complaining that 40 hours to unlock a hero is such a problem? I am maybe an old timer, in gaming and grafting is what games should be about. The more effort you put into something, the greater the reward.
Games with unlimited saves/respawns/continues as well as no punishment for dying are just way too easy.
I play Diablo 3 on hardcore, because the thrill of dying adds to the excitement, not the same tedious, if I die, no punishment.... Maybe it's me, but I hate this baby state of people thinking they deserve to be the top when the effort they put in is negligible.