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Details New Qualcomm Snapdragon 1000-SoC for Windows 10
Specs and details for the unannounced Qualcomm Snapdragon 1000 SoC have surfaced. The SoC is intended for use with Windows 10 and with a size of 20x15mm it will certainly not end up in a smartphone, likely they'll end up in notebooks and convertibles.
According to the information available to WinFuture the new and rather big ARM chips SDM1000 chips are expected to sit in the territory of stronger x86 processors, think Intel Atom or Celeron series. According to information from import databases, the developer platform has up to 16 GB of LPDDR4X RAM on board and has two 128 GB memory modules connected via UFS 2.1. It also includes Gigabit WLAN, the software modem of the upcoming Snapdragon 855, which seems to be closely related to the new SDM1000, and a newly developed power management chip to handle the increased power and power consumption.
The Qualcomm SDM1000 should be used in more simple Windows 10 devices, maybe even somple desktop PCs.
Ryzen 3 2300X and Ryzen 5 2500X Details Surface as well as 45W E-Models - 05/31/2018 05:27 PM
It should not come as a surprise as the names already surfaced at several motherboard manufacturers, but the Ryzen 5 2500X & Ryzen 3 2300X now get more specs in relation to cores and frequencies....
Details AMD B450 Mid-range Chipset Surface - 05/22/2018 11:34 AM
We've mentioned the pending AMD B450 chipset details inn our Ryzen gen2 review already really, but two new slides surfaced showing the final details. ...
Full AMD Ryzen 2000 lineup and X470 chipset details Leak - 03/07/2018 04:26 PM
The Spanish website El Chapuzas Informatico just leaked what seems to be the full line-up of AMD's pending Ryzen 2000-series processors. The new Zen+ updates entail four new processors. ...
Intel reveals details of Core i7 8809G proc with Vega M Graphics & standard IGP - 01/02/2018 09:57 AM
Intel released specifications and information on its website regarding their Core i7 8809G processor with Vega-GPU. The Core i7 8000 series based proc will get hyper-threading and four cores....
Core i7 Hexa Core Laptop Processor Details and Benchmarks Surface - 12/20/2017 10:14 AM
Some specifications for the pending Core i7 hexacores for laptops have surfaced onto the web through a Chinese forum, it invokes an engineering sample, that would be the Core i7-8700HQ series....
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#5560156 Posted on: 06/25/2018 01:09 PM
Unless it is x86 compatible, there is no reason to push towards Windows. Windows is resource heavy. Wasteful. And absence of x86 programs makes it very low value.
Running something like Phoenix OS on x86 low end chip, or directly linux shows how much faster things can be.
So, ARM desktop experience is achievable w/o windows. +it would have full compatibility with android applications/games. Coming with direct Linux compatibility and android built in interpreter (running apps/store without standalone emulator) would make it attractive to much larger user group.
Unless it is x86 compatible, there is no reason to push towards Windows. Windows is resource heavy. Wasteful. And absence of x86 programs makes it very low value.
Running something like Phoenix OS on x86 low end chip, or directly linux shows how much faster things can be.
So, ARM desktop experience is achievable w/o windows. +it would have full compatibility with android applications/games. Coming with direct Linux compatibility and android built in interpreter (running apps/store without standalone emulator) would make it attractive to much larger user group.
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#5560159 Posted on: 06/25/2018 01:26 PM
Unless it is x86 compatible, there is no reason to push towards Windows. Windows is resource heavy. Wasteful. And absence of x86 programs makes it very low value.
Running something like Phoenix OS on x86 low end chip, or directly linux shows how much faster things can be.
So, ARM desktop experience is achievable w/o windows. +it would have full compatibility with android applications/games. Coming with direct Linux compatibility and android built in interpreter (running apps/store without standalone emulator) would make it attractive to much larger user group.
It's going to take years before it's fully useful, but, these are the foundations that might lead to relevance in the future. As I understand it, it's more about waiting for patents to expire than anything else.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/06/intel-fires-warning-shots-at-microsoft-claims-x86-emulation-is-a-patent-minefield/
The end-game is soc that can run both ARM and x86 code, at least well enough that the average consumer doesn't have to worry about compatibility.
Unless it is x86 compatible, there is no reason to push towards Windows. Windows is resource heavy. Wasteful. And absence of x86 programs makes it very low value.
Running something like Phoenix OS on x86 low end chip, or directly linux shows how much faster things can be.
So, ARM desktop experience is achievable w/o windows. +it would have full compatibility with android applications/games. Coming with direct Linux compatibility and android built in interpreter (running apps/store without standalone emulator) would make it attractive to much larger user group.
It's going to take years before it's fully useful, but, these are the foundations that might lead to relevance in the future. As I understand it, it's more about waiting for patents to expire than anything else.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/06/intel-fires-warning-shots-at-microsoft-claims-x86-emulation-is-a-patent-minefield/
The end-game is soc that can run both ARM and x86 code, at least well enough that the average consumer doesn't have to worry about compatibility.
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#5560193 Posted on: 06/25/2018 04:05 PM
Unless it is x86 compatible, there is no reason to push towards Windows. Windows is resource heavy. Wasteful. And absence of x86 programs makes it very low value.
Running something like Phoenix OS on x86 low end chip, or directly linux shows how much faster things can be.
Being ARM, obviously the CPU itself isn't binary compatible with x86. However, the current iteration of Windows 10 for ARM does have an x86 compatibility layer, and even works with games. From what I saw in benchmarks, it's slow, but usable. I'm not so sure about Windows, but Linux on ARM tends to be significantly less resource intensive than the x86 equivalent binaries. Assuming Windows binaries on ARM are also less RAM-hungry, I'm sure MS further reduced system resource consumption by ditching a lot of services that they assume ARM users can't/won't use. Regardless, Windows is still (IMO) too bloated for ARM, but my point is it's probably not as bad as you might think.
Coming with direct Linux compatibility and android built in interpreter (running apps/store without standalone emulator) would make it attractive to much larger user group.
These CPUs (specifically, the 835s) are theoretically Linux compatible and at least when it comes to Asus, you aren't restricted from installing a non-Windows OS. However, there is no official Linux support, so you might not be able to get far at the moment. I personally am keeping a tight eye for Linux compatibility on devices like the NovaGo, because it has everything I need. I don't use any closed-source applications on my current laptop, so it ought to be a smooth transition for me, if the drivers work properly. Even if I did, Linux has an x86 compatibility layer too, so I should be all set.
Unless it is x86 compatible, there is no reason to push towards Windows. Windows is resource heavy. Wasteful. And absence of x86 programs makes it very low value.
Running something like Phoenix OS on x86 low end chip, or directly linux shows how much faster things can be.
Being ARM, obviously the CPU itself isn't binary compatible with x86. However, the current iteration of Windows 10 for ARM does have an x86 compatibility layer, and even works with games. From what I saw in benchmarks, it's slow, but usable. I'm not so sure about Windows, but Linux on ARM tends to be significantly less resource intensive than the x86 equivalent binaries. Assuming Windows binaries on ARM are also less RAM-hungry, I'm sure MS further reduced system resource consumption by ditching a lot of services that they assume ARM users can't/won't use. Regardless, Windows is still (IMO) too bloated for ARM, but my point is it's probably not as bad as you might think.
Coming with direct Linux compatibility and android built in interpreter (running apps/store without standalone emulator) would make it attractive to much larger user group.
These CPUs (specifically, the 835s) are theoretically Linux compatible and at least when it comes to Asus, you aren't restricted from installing a non-Windows OS. However, there is no official Linux support, so you might not be able to get far at the moment. I personally am keeping a tight eye for Linux compatibility on devices like the NovaGo, because it has everything I need. I don't use any closed-source applications on my current laptop, so it ought to be a smooth transition for me, if the drivers work properly. Even if I did, Linux has an x86 compatibility layer too, so I should be all set.
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#5560210 Posted on: 06/25/2018 04:52 PM
I was running Phoenix OS, Linux, Windows triple boot on z5-8500x. (Before Atom committed suicide with my hefty assistance.)
Playing Newest android games (UE4) on it was lovely experience. Linux was swift and worked as expected (Lightdm + xfce).
But windows... , even with 4GB ram, It was full at times (even with OS memory compression in Win 10). Internal 64GB storage was probable cause of general slowness, as Windows likes to do a lot of unnecessary things with storage. And ~70/40MBps R/W is not exactly good for windows.
Basically one needs much better HW for windows. And MS's habit of including adware/bloatware does not help. I have not seen Windows 10 ARM for tablet edition, so maybe they did cut some bloatware, and optimized.
That NovaGo looks really nice. Me, personally, as I get new desktop into working order, I'll go back to calmly looking for 7~8 inch Android/Phoenix OS tablet with great gaming performance. While I enjoyed playing on 10'' Atom tablet, size was bit too much for my small hands
And linux on gaming tablet would be just icing on the cake.
Being ARM, obviously the CPU itself isn't binary compatible with x86. However, the current iteration of Windows 10 for ARM does have an x86 compatibility layer, and even works with games. From what I saw in benchmarks, it's slow, but usable. I'm not so sure about Windows, but Linux on ARM tends to be significantly less resource intensive than the x86 equivalent binaries. Assuming Windows binaries on ARM are also less RAM-hungry, I'm sure MS further reduced system resource consumption by ditching a lot of services that they assume ARM users can't/won't use. Regardless, Windows is still (IMO) too bloated for ARM, but my point is it's probably not as bad as you might think.
I was running Phoenix OS, Linux, Windows triple boot on z5-8500x. (Before Atom committed suicide with my hefty assistance.)
Playing Newest android games (UE4) on it was lovely experience. Linux was swift and worked as expected (Lightdm + xfce).
But windows... , even with 4GB ram, It was full at times (even with OS memory compression in Win 10). Internal 64GB storage was probable cause of general slowness, as Windows likes to do a lot of unnecessary things with storage. And ~70/40MBps R/W is not exactly good for windows.
Basically one needs much better HW for windows. And MS's habit of including adware/bloatware does not help. I have not seen Windows 10 ARM for tablet edition, so maybe they did cut some bloatware, and optimized.
These CPUs (specifically, the 835s) are theoretically Linux compatible and at least when it comes to Asus, you aren't restricted from installing a non-Windows OS. However, there is no official Linux support, so you might not be able to get far at the moment. I personally am keeping a tight eye for Linux compatibility on devices like the NovaGo, because it has everything I need. I don't use any closed-source applications on my current laptop, so it ought to be a smooth transition for me, if the drivers work properly. Even if I did, Linux has an x86 compatibility layer too, so I should be all set.
That NovaGo looks really nice. Me, personally, as I get new desktop into working order, I'll go back to calmly looking for 7~8 inch Android/Phoenix OS tablet with great gaming performance. While I enjoyed playing on 10'' Atom tablet, size was bit too much for my small hands
And linux on gaming tablet would be just icing on the cake.
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I hope their 1000 soc fares better than their previous attempt(835soc was it I think).