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Desktop sales expected to resume growth in 3Q17
PC sales have been pretty weak in the first half of 2017, but is expected to start growing in the third quarter driven by new products from AMD and Intel for the gaming and high-end desktop markets.
AMD's new top-end 16-core Ryzen Threadripper 1950X and 12-core 1920X will become available in the retail channel on August 10, while its 8-core 1900X is scheduled to be released at the end of August, reports digitimes:
Several vendors have already begun accepting pre-orders for desktop models using AMD's latest top-end CPU processors since the end of July including the Alienware Area-51 Threadripper from Dell.
AMD also recently announced its new Vega-based GPUs including the Radeon RX Vega 64, using either liquid or air cooling modules, and Radeon RX Vega's prices start from US$399. AMD also offers free games and discounts on hardware including Samsung's CF791 monitor as well as price-cuts on CPU/motherboard bundles to help consumers save up to US$300.
Intel has also prepared to release its next-generation 14nm Coffee Lake processors in the near future and will initially launch products such as the Core i7 8700K.
AMD and Intel are also seeing growing sales in the server ssegment. AMD's EPYC 7000 series processors were unveiled at the end of June. Although the processor series currently only accounts for less than 1% of the server market, orders for related server makers have been picking up recently and are expected to stay strong in the second half of 2017 with players including Microsoft, Baidu, Dell, Hewlett-Packard (HP), Supermicro, Inventec, Wistron, Asustek Computer, Gigabyte Technology and Tyan eagerly promoting their systems.
Intel debuted its Purley server platform in July and is currently seeing strong orders from enterprises looking to replace their existing server systems. Some market watchers believe the replacement trend will last for a whole year and shore up Intel's profitability and revenues.
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#5460615 Posted on: 08/08/2017 03:21 PM
No, I think you should be taking your own advise:
https://ycharts.com/financials/AMD/income-statement/quarterly
Note how revenue was $1.2B and net income is $16M. Also note there is a profit - something you seem adamant doesn't exist. But we're going to be at this all day if we keep picking sources to suit our own needs. That source tells a different story than this one:
http://quicktake.morningstar.com/stocknet/bonds.aspx?symbol=amd
Which is where I got my 1.4B debt number from. Furthermore, here's a source claiming AMD was in 1.6B in debt (2016 article):
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4031413-advanced-micro-devices-math-add
But none of this matters - the point is AMD's debt is dramatically shrinking in a short amount of time, to the point they might be in the black before Q2 2018. That is significant, and saying otherwise is either ignorance or trolling. The market has a positive outlook:
https://www.estimize.com/amd
I never said anything about zero debt, so you might want to get your own sanity checked.
Your pessimism is pointless. From the week of Ryzen's launch date, all you've been focusing on were stocks and AMD's debt, yet you seem to comfortably ignore how the stock market works, the eventual improvements in the stocks, and the amount of debt that was paid off. I don't get what your gripe is, because if you're hoping AMD will go out of business, it's not going to happen at this rate. Maybe you're salty because you bought stocks in 2006 that you never saw a return in (and probably never will).
Give it a rest. We're PC enthusiasts - trying to make a product look bad because a company owes some millions of dollars just doesn't make sense. If you haven't noticed, people tend to be more upset of Intel's anticompetitiveness than AMD's poor internal management skills.
Check your numbers. Better yet, stay away from numbers all together.
No, I think you should be taking your own advise:
https://ycharts.com/financials/AMD/income-statement/quarterly
Note how revenue was $1.2B and net income is $16M. Also note there is a profit - something you seem adamant doesn't exist. But we're going to be at this all day if we keep picking sources to suit our own needs. That source tells a different story than this one:
http://quicktake.morningstar.com/stocknet/bonds.aspx?symbol=amd
Which is where I got my 1.4B debt number from. Furthermore, here's a source claiming AMD was in 1.6B in debt (2016 article):
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4031413-advanced-micro-devices-math-add
But none of this matters - the point is AMD's debt is dramatically shrinking in a short amount of time, to the point they might be in the black before Q2 2018. That is significant, and saying otherwise is either ignorance or trolling. The market has a positive outlook:
https://www.estimize.com/amd
AMD repaid $1.4 B with few month's of selling Ryzen and 580!! Zero debt! Are you insane?
I never said anything about zero debt, so you might want to get your own sanity checked.
Your pessimism is pointless. From the week of Ryzen's launch date, all you've been focusing on were stocks and AMD's debt, yet you seem to comfortably ignore how the stock market works, the eventual improvements in the stocks, and the amount of debt that was paid off. I don't get what your gripe is, because if you're hoping AMD will go out of business, it's not going to happen at this rate. Maybe you're salty because you bought stocks in 2006 that you never saw a return in (and probably never will).
Give it a rest. We're PC enthusiasts - trying to make a product look bad because a company owes some millions of dollars just doesn't make sense. If you haven't noticed, people tend to be more upset of Intel's anticompetitiveness than AMD's poor internal management skills.
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#5460639 Posted on: 08/08/2017 04:05 PM
HAY
HAY
Simmer people. Keep it nice.
HAY
HAY
Simmer people. Keep it nice.
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#5460757 Posted on: 08/08/2017 07:54 PM
I never said anything about zero debt
They went from $1.4 billion in
https://abload.de/img/screenshot-20170808-06arfs.jpg
You cant even follow a single indicator, ie debt.
You managed to confuse AMD's net loss of $16M in Q2 with their debt. A debt which is still $1.4B, and NOT $16M like you claim. I'm out.
I never said anything about zero debt
They went from $1.4 billion in
debt to $16 million
in a matter of months, selling Ryzen (a product easily overshadowed by Intel and not appealing to the masses) and the RX 580
https://abload.de/img/screenshot-20170808-06arfs.jpg
You cant even follow a single indicator, ie debt.
You managed to confuse AMD's net loss of $16M in Q2 with their debt. A debt which is still $1.4B, and NOT $16M like you claim. I'm out.
Q.E.D.
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#5460770 Posted on: 08/08/2017 08:29 PM
Check your numbers. Better yet, stay away from numbers all together.
AMD repaid $1.4 B with few month's of selling Ryzen and 580!! Zero debt! Are you insane?
Dude, seriously, give it up, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and it's clear to everyone but yourself lol
Check your numbers. Better yet, stay away from numbers all together.
AMD repaid $1.4 B with few month's of selling Ryzen and 580!! Zero debt! Are you insane?
Dude, seriously, give it up, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and it's clear to everyone but yourself lol
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And then not long after it went up the highest it's been in 10 years. If you're going to cherry-pick results, stocks are not going to help your point.
You clearly don't understand how the economy works. You think stocks reflect a businesses success (it doesn't) and you apparently have no clue loans/bonds exist. If AMD literally didn't make a buck, mind explaining how they managed to pay manufacturing costs, or how their company still retains value? They went from $1.4 billion in debt to $16 million in a matter of months, selling Ryzen (a product easily overshadowed by Intel and not appealing to the masses) and the RX 580
Check your numbers. Better yet, stay away from numbers all together.
AMD repaid $1.4 B with few month's of selling Ryzen and 580!! Zero debt! Are you insane?