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Der8auer delids Intel 12 and/or 18 core Skylake-X CPUs
Pro overclocking guru Der8auer retreived early samples of Intel upcoming 12-18 core i9 Skylake-X series CPUs. Hedecided to use the Delid-Die-Mate-X delidding tool and succesfully delidded at least one CPU.
On the photo below you can see the die of the CPU (I am not sure which model it is atm) but it certainly is monolithic and bigger as Intel's existing 7900X 10-core unit. The delid looks good, showcasing an undamaged CPU. You can see that the CPU is unsoldered, indicating Intel's classic way of using TIM in-between the heatspreader and CPU die. Also: very interesting and weird to see, look at the glued double PCBs.
More info will come one Der8auer releases it.
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Fancy a bit more cooling on your Intel processor? Brave enough to try delidding but don't know how to ? Well, der8auer designed revision two of his easy removal ("delidding") tool of tha...
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#5469508 Posted on: 09/05/2017 06:28 PM
So I guess it's pretty much confirmed that all the Skylake-X CPUs will use TIM? A real shame, that.
So I guess it's pretty much confirmed that all the Skylake-X CPUs will use TIM? A real shame, that.
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#5469511 Posted on: 09/05/2017 06:31 PM
I have mixed feelings on the TIM. I personally don't think we have enough information to draw conclusions. People keep saying soldered is better but I don't really know what it's based on. For overclocking, obviously lowering thermals is nice - but only a small portion of Intel users are overclocking their CPUs. What portion of CPU failures are attributed to thermal cracking? What's the average life span of a CPU on solder vs TIM?
Intel ships 100M+ CPU's a quarter. Pudget systems show a .33% failure rate in their OEM systems. If that number is industry wide, it's 300K CPU's failing a quarter - are all of them due to thermal cracking? Probably not but again it's a number we don't know. If Intel is cutting that number by ~100K CPU's a quarter by switching to TIM but also cutting the lifespan from 15 years to 12 years due to thermal increase, does it really matter to most users? I'm not saying those are the numbers - I just don't know how people are drawing conclusions with so many unknown variables.
That being said, Intel is a greedy POS company - so if the answer does turn out that they are trying to save a few cents per processor it wouldn't surprise me.
I have mixed feelings on the TIM. I personally don't think we have enough information to draw conclusions. People keep saying soldered is better but I don't really know what it's based on. For overclocking, obviously lowering thermals is nice - but only a small portion of Intel users are overclocking their CPUs. What portion of CPU failures are attributed to thermal cracking? What's the average life span of a CPU on solder vs TIM?
Intel ships 100M+ CPU's a quarter. Pudget systems show a .33% failure rate in their OEM systems. If that number is industry wide, it's 300K CPU's failing a quarter - are all of them due to thermal cracking? Probably not but again it's a number we don't know. If Intel is cutting that number by ~100K CPU's a quarter by switching to TIM but also cutting the lifespan from 15 years to 12 years due to thermal increase, does it really matter to most users? I'm not saying those are the numbers - I just don't know how people are drawing conclusions with so many unknown variables.
That being said, Intel is a greedy POS company - so if the answer does turn out that they are trying to save a few cents per processor it wouldn't surprise me.
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#5469517 Posted on: 09/05/2017 07:00 PM
I bet most bought "K" CPU's are paired with a locked motherboard or the user will never overclock it. They buy it because "it's better".
Intel can fuck off with this silly attempt at free marketing using overclockers.
My mind is on price/performance, and rarely Intel wins here.
I bet most bought "K" CPU's are paired with a locked motherboard or the user will never overclock it. They buy it because "it's better".
Intel can fuck off with this silly attempt at free marketing using overclockers.
My mind is on price/performance, and rarely Intel wins here.
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#5469527 Posted on: 09/05/2017 07:37 PM
A question: is that a cpu 1366 on a 2066 adaptor ??
A question: is that a cpu 1366 on a 2066 adaptor ??
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cheers for him. intel is pulling all the stops to rescue skylake-x from oblivion. i doubt it will cause even a small ripple as most folks *will not take the risks* of de-lidding, including obvious warranty voiding.
furthermore, i doubt Der8auer paid for that cpu. it may be my cynicism, but it also tracks with intel - that they would use a disavowed method to hype the product.
Intel read my lips please get rid of the tim.
not gonna happen, but a boy can wish.