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Update: Cyberpunk 2077 PC version with raytracing, first screenshots - Reserves 80GB for Install
CD Projekt Red announced close collaboration with Nvidia for the PC version of Cyberpunk 2077. For the Geforce RTX team a nice moment to create some momentum for a raytracing showcase. We have the first screenshots of Cyberpunk 2077 with raytracing active on Geforce RTX graphics cards.
Thanks to "Raytracing-specific Geforce RTX GPUs, these effects can be rendered in real time in the game," says CD Projekt Red. What effects are implemented exactly with this (raytracing reflections, raytracing shadows) remains unclear (but we'll use the screenshots to reflect on reflections; in the Gamescom demo 2018, screen-space reflections with clearly visible absence will also be present) DLSS support has question marks. However, Adam Badowski, Head of Studio at CD Project Red, believes that raytracing allows "realistic representation of the behavior of light in a condensed urban environment". Thanks to raytracing, "additional levels of depth and verticality could be introduced to the already impressive megacity".
Matt Wuebbling, Head of GeForce Marketing at Nvidia, believes that "the world of cyberpunk will benefit greatly from realistic raytracing lighting." To give a first impression of real-time raytracing in Cyberpunk 2077, the first screenshots were released to demonstrate gameplay in Ultra HD resolution. You will find these pictures at the beginning of the following gallery. We also have some new "normal" screenshots of the E3 integrated, so you have a comparison.
Update: Cyberpunk 2077 is the most anticipated games of 2020, and while we all know that game installs are getting bigger and bigger here passing a new threshold. The minimum storage requirement for the game is 80GB, Reddit user /u/PhoOhThree however, mentions that it might simply be a placeholder as the game is not yet finished. Cyberpunk 2077 will launch on April 16th, 2020.
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#5680220 Posted on: 06/13/2019 08:44 AM
Well that's a shame. Another title buying into Nvidia's proprietary bullshit. We've seen this story already so many times in the last 2 decades.
Well that's a shame. Another title buying into Nvidia's proprietary bullshit. We've seen this story already so many times in the last 2 decades.
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#5680225 Posted on: 06/13/2019 08:54 AM
Well, they did the same with Witcher 3 and Nvidia proprietary tech, and we all remember how "well" that game performed before patches..
Let's just hope that it will work better out of the box on different hardware (AMD and non RT Nvidia) this time
Well, they did the same with Witcher 3 and Nvidia proprietary tech, and we all remember how "well" that game performed before patches..
Let's just hope that it will work better out of the box on different hardware (AMD and non RT Nvidia) this time
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#5680228 Posted on: 06/13/2019 09:01 AM
So everything I've read and understand about how the tech works is contrary to this point. It's basically emulating real lightning, and that means less tricky to emulate it. Once you have a directional light source from a day/night cycle for example a lot of the technology automatically applies to the other surfaces.
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#5680250 Posted on: 06/13/2019 10:00 AM
In return to some of the people complaining about "Nvidia's propriatary RTX bs":
It's DXR guys. With little adaption, any AMD card supporting DXR should be able to do this as well, right? And they have the brute force and power to compute this too, if I'm not mistaken?
Nvidia pushed the money into R&D to try and bring out something new to try and justify their overpriced cards (and yes @Denial I do share your opinion on RTX 20xx gen, overpricing and not delivering RTX, and the state of it as of now). Turing 20XX RTX gen, of which I'm an owner too. But that doesn't mean that:
- you can't play this game without Nvidia RT hardware (deactivate RT?)
- AMD can't just adapt DXR as an already established standard
- the game will be unplayable without RT activated (remember, it will hit consoles as well, so there's no RT there)
Nvidia has ALWAYS done that, offer "an easy sollution" to devs by packing in gameworks. Saves them time (=money), and offers them some addition to their game that appeals, and now check this out, to most of the gamers down the line. Since most cards of Nvidia will be able to do RT in some minor way with lacking performance. But it's marketing. Remember this, always has been marketing. Even when certain game works got Nvidia's cards to throw up as well. And Nvidia still has the bigger market share... of course a dev is easily pulled in on offering "more" to aim for the majority of GPU owners. That's the base for Nvidia's gameworks anyway.
With RT in particular, this did NOT work out in my opinion. It will take years until the games support it properly, and until the quality truely is something to behold. Right now I find any RTX I've seen in person lackluster and honestly, making no big difference at all. Hence I don't use it. But guess what, I still can play BF5, because you don't have to turn it on. In no game it's RTX only afaik, except some minor mini games maybe from studios who toy with new tech like some VR games ofcourse are VR only due to their way a game's designed to be played. CP2077 is not one of those RTX only games, though.
Honestly, as soon as AMD adopts the DXR standard (which is directX and not Nvidia), they're all set to offer their customers / gamers the same things Nvidia can do. I can even imagine they will match RTX performance with Ray tracing as soon as with an RDNA update, so it's within reach. I expect AMD not to be as far behind on RT as Nvidia would want us to think.
But they just have to do it, and I'm certain that AMD knows it won't have to do this to make good money, so they concentrate on what they know how to do it (every market segment besides enthusiast high end top notch four digit cost hardware). And that's good.
So, the conclusion for me personally is:
Good that they offer something new. Might be worth to check it out with the card I already have. And if RTX sucks, I'll just play this game without it when it's released.
People without RTX cards can just play it without RTX, so I don't understand the backlash when the game's not even released, by far.
Have some trust in CDPR to not make the same mistake again as they did with W3 (hairworks), they are one of the few companies I do trust to actually have a sense for what people want.
Wait for reviews of the game before boycotting it, nobody is forced to preorder at all.
Don't bash each other's heads over this addition of RTX to a game. Concentrate on what the game actually could offer us as gamers, a great action RPG experience, no matter what res, lighting, or API you play on.
In return to some of the people complaining about "Nvidia's propriatary RTX bs":
It's DXR guys. With little adaption, any AMD card supporting DXR should be able to do this as well, right? And they have the brute force and power to compute this too, if I'm not mistaken?
Nvidia pushed the money into R&D to try and bring out something new to try and justify their overpriced cards (and yes @Denial I do share your opinion on RTX 20xx gen, overpricing and not delivering RTX, and the state of it as of now). Turing 20XX RTX gen, of which I'm an owner too. But that doesn't mean that:
- you can't play this game without Nvidia RT hardware (deactivate RT?)
- AMD can't just adapt DXR as an already established standard
- the game will be unplayable without RT activated (remember, it will hit consoles as well, so there's no RT there)
Nvidia has ALWAYS done that, offer "an easy sollution" to devs by packing in gameworks. Saves them time (=money), and offers them some addition to their game that appeals, and now check this out, to most of the gamers down the line. Since most cards of Nvidia will be able to do RT in some minor way with lacking performance. But it's marketing. Remember this, always has been marketing. Even when certain game works got Nvidia's cards to throw up as well. And Nvidia still has the bigger market share... of course a dev is easily pulled in on offering "more" to aim for the majority of GPU owners. That's the base for Nvidia's gameworks anyway.
With RT in particular, this did NOT work out in my opinion. It will take years until the games support it properly, and until the quality truely is something to behold. Right now I find any RTX I've seen in person lackluster and honestly, making no big difference at all. Hence I don't use it. But guess what, I still can play BF5, because you don't have to turn it on. In no game it's RTX only afaik, except some minor mini games maybe from studios who toy with new tech like some VR games ofcourse are VR only due to their way a game's designed to be played. CP2077 is not one of those RTX only games, though.
Honestly, as soon as AMD adopts the DXR standard (which is directX and not Nvidia), they're all set to offer their customers / gamers the same things Nvidia can do. I can even imagine they will match RTX performance with Ray tracing as soon as with an RDNA update, so it's within reach. I expect AMD not to be as far behind on RT as Nvidia would want us to think.
But they just have to do it, and I'm certain that AMD knows it won't have to do this to make good money, so they concentrate on what they know how to do it (every market segment besides enthusiast high end top notch four digit cost hardware). And that's good.
So, the conclusion for me personally is:
Good that they offer something new. Might be worth to check it out with the card I already have. And if RTX sucks, I'll just play this game without it when it's released.
People without RTX cards can just play it without RTX, so I don't understand the backlash when the game's not even released, by far.
Have some trust in CDPR to not make the same mistake again as they did with W3 (hairworks), they are one of the few companies I do trust to actually have a sense for what people want.
Wait for reviews of the game before boycotting it, nobody is forced to preorder at all.
Don't bash each other's heads over this addition of RTX to a game. Concentrate on what the game actually could offer us as gamers, a great action RPG experience, no matter what res, lighting, or API you play on.
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So everything I've read and understand about how the tech works is contrary to this point. It's basically emulating real lightning, and that means less tricky to emulate it. Once you have a directional light source from a day/night cycle for example a lot of the technology automatically applies to the other surfaces.
I keep reading this hate for the RT stuff, and while some of it has been lackluster (I'm certainly not a fanboy of the tech yet), I don't understand the hate. It's a hobby like anything else, people spend 10k a year on golf memberships alone and its worth it for them, so its all a matter of perspective. If you don't like it that's fine, but no need to be bitter about it because some of us are genuinely interested in it.
they dump all over the last 25 years of rendering techniques.
there is no question it is better that goes without saying but making fare honest comparisons is none existent.
Honestly and openness goes a long way.