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Crytek employee says Playstation 5 will win, Xbox Series X has bottlenecks

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/07/2020 08:57 AM | source: vigiato.net / resetera.com | 102 comment(s)
Crytek employee says Playstation 5 will win, Xbox Series X has bottlenecks

In an interview with vigiato, Crytek rendering engineer Ali Salehi stated talked about the upcoming consoles and what it's like to develop for them, and he revealed quite some tasty remarks about the Xbox Series X, it would have bottlenecks that limit its performance, favoring the Playstation 5.

You can always leave it up-to Crytek to create some controversion on the web. Prior to talking about the actual hardware differences, Salehi talked about the platform in general with persian based Vigiato, stating, “The developers are saying that the PS5 is the console for which they coded the most easily at peak performance. On the software side, coding for the PS5 is extremely simple and has so many skills that developers are free. In short, I can say that the PS5 is a better console. "

 

  

But why would it be difficult to achieve peak performance on the Xbox Series X then? Well, Salehi stated that the Xbox Series X generally works below the 12 TFLOPs that Microsoft claims, there are bottlenecks that limit the GPU, and you have to achieve perfect conditions of use of resources to be able to use those 12 TFLOPs, which in practice is very difficult to achieve. He claims that this is challenging in practice, notably in terms of getting all components to work in unison.

The GPU may have 20 different parts. CUs are just one part of it. They do the processings. Meanwhile, IF all the other parts are in their best condition, not being limited, without memory bottlenecks, and the CUs get as much as the data they need in a second, Then the CUs are capable of doing 12T floating-point operations in a second. So in an ideal world where we remove all limits it’s possible. But in reality, it’s just NOT.

Salehi points to the Xbox Series X’s RAM to illustrate his point:

A good example about Xbox Series X hardware is its RAM. Microsoft has made the RAM two parts. The same mistake they made with Xbox One. One part of RAM has high bandwidth, and the other is low. And definitely coding for this could be a little challenging. Because the total amount of things we want to put in the fast part is so much that it may cause problems. And if we want to support 4k it will be another whole story. So there will be somethings that will hold the GPU off.

Compute Unit count then, (36 for the PS5 and 56 for the XSX), Salehi mentions to the PlayStation 5’s higher frequencies as the deciding factor.

The main difference is that CUs frequencies in PS5 is a lot more and work at higher frequencies. aising the clock speed has some benefits like in memory, rasterizer, and every other part of the gpu that its efficiency depends on clock speed, things that’s not related to CU count or Tflops, will work faster too. So the remaining parts of the GPU will work better Than XSX. This will make the console work mostly on the 10.28 Tflops. But in XSX, since the other parts of the gpu work slower due to the lower clock speed, it actually works a lot at lower Tflops most often and reaches 12 only at ideal situations.

These bottlenecks would include not only aspects such as hardware, such as "Slower GPU parts due to lower frequency" and "lower bandwidth memories", but also software, since Microsoft is running an operating system based on Windows 10, while Sony runs a much lighter operating system designed exclusively for the console.

So yeah, despite the Xbox Series X having a raw power edge over the PlayStation 5, a rendering engineer at developer Crytek says Sony’s console is the better of the two.

Meanwhile, Ali Salehi, the developer who made these comments about PS5, has apparently retracted his statements from Twitter. The interview itself has been pulled offline, too.

 







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#5777242 Posted on: 04/07/2020 06:32 PM
We just need great games.

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#5777253 Posted on: 04/07/2020 07:46 PM
Consoles win by their exclusive games, not their hardware.

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#5777260 Posted on: 04/07/2020 08:07 PM
And it begins


Consoles win by their exclusive games, not their hardware.

price and exclusive less so on the exclusives imo, then again histroical the winner is usual the one the comes out the gate strongest and get the developer behind it, which general lead console for development for the gen. The PS3 Outpower the Xbox360 but do to how insnanely hard it was to program for it it didnt really win and by time developer grasped how to use that power of ps3 it didnt matter. For me it simple I will never own MS console again I been with Sony since PS1 that isnt gona change. short of them doing what they said they never do again is which 600$ console I just want Sony to pull there head out there ass and stop using shitty psu that induce coilwhine and jet engine fans would also appricate they made the fan curve on system based on temp and not load that or developers need to learn to use Vsync/ FPS cap cause some game just turn jet engine sitting on just menus. I really want to take my ps4 appart and reaply the thermal paste it always been loud but now it louder., but I not will to risk put back together and find out something broke in process.

Nintendo understand power dont mater it about there games, I will ague other thing about them why I have not touch there consoles in decade or more but I not gonn open the pandora box.

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#5777267 Posted on: 04/07/2020 08:22 PM
Yes price will play a big part if there is a gap. Parents will often opt for the cheaper one obviously.
I have nothing against Xbox but it's just not a single one of their first-party games interest me.

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#5777285 Posted on: 04/07/2020 09:23 PM
Regardless of these and 10,000 more just like it and 1,000,000 more in direct contradiction to any of this: I will never ever ever ever ever ever ever buy a console from Microsoft.

They are a software company.

Sony are one of the largest electronics manufacturers in the world.

My money is on Sony, purely and simply for this reason: A console is an electronics device.

But anyway, I already called it months ago: Sony will win this round, as they have every single other round since 1995. For you betting types out there, that's 25 years of winning, quarter of a century yo'.

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