Beelink SER5 Pro (Ryzen 7 5800H) mini PC review
Crucial T700 PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD Review - 12GB/s
Sapphire Radeon RX 7600 PULSE review
Gainward GeForce RTX 4060 Ti GHOST review
Radeon RX 7600 review
ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Ti TUF Gaming review
MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Gaming X TRIO review
GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB (FE) review
Corsair 2000D RGB Airflow Mini-ITX - PC chassis review
ASUS PG27AQDM Review - 240Hz 1440p OLED monitor
Cryptocurrency CHIO can destroy an SSD in 40 days
Chia is positioned as an ecological alternative to Bitcoin relative to energy consumption. It's not mining, but farming on your storage solution. Its greener credentials seem questionable. Not only are we starting to see signs of HDD and SSD shortages, but it also greatly shortens the lifespan of these drives.
Chia has the peculiarity that it is not mined using the power of the GPU but rather utilizing the storage device used, where obviously the faster the better performance is obtained. This has already caused a shortage of SSDs and hard drives in Asia, but now other symptoms of their use are beginning to be seen: the durability of SSDs is depleted in just weeks.
While manufacturers are already seeing an increase in sales, some, including Galax, are warning buyers that using their products to grow Chia will void warranties. According to the Chinese site Fast Technology (via Hardware Times ), constantly growing Chia on a 512GB SSD, which typically lasts for five to ten years, can see it lifespan being reduced to just 40 days.
Drives with more storage space last longer, but wear and tear still significantly reduce their lifespan - a 1TB SSD lasts around 80 days, while growing Chia will kill a 2TB SSD in 160 days. Unfortunately, we don't know what NAND writing type is applied though, but assume TLC-based SSDs, as these are the norm.
Study reveals Cryptocurrency mining energy consumption in China alone will be higher than Italy in three years - 04/09/2021 07:22 AM
80% of the world's crypto mining happens in China. Electricity consumption from China's Bitcoin mining operations will pass Italy's electricity consumption by 2024. That's what scientists say in N...
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti to get limited for Cryptocurrency Mining Performance Also - 03/05/2021 08:35 AM
According to some, and some others the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is still planned for release at one point, the new 'confirmation' here is that this SKU also will get limited Crypto-Mining Performa...
Internet cafes are reinventing themselves into cryptocurrency mining farms - 02/16/2021 10:02 AM
Internet and cyber cafes in Asia are slowly transforming themselves into cryptocurrency mining farms for the simple reason it makes more money. Currently, the pandemic has a severe effect on such plac...
Cryptocurrency mining makes a move to RTX 3000 Series Laptops - 02/10/2021 10:55 AM
Personally, I am not a supporter of Cryptocurrency mining. The amount of energy used for your digital currency is a plague concerning energy and power consumption. The amount of energy used is bigger ...
AMD is working on a Navi 10 GPU dedicated to cryptocurrencies - 10/23/2020 09:03 AM
Not a bad idea really, as it would free up graphics card sales for gamers. A new Linux patches seem to point towards a cryptocurrency-focused graphics card from AMD, that the patches add descriptions ...
CrazY_Milojko
Senior Member
Posts: 2656
Joined: 2013-02-26
Senior Member
Posts: 2656
Joined: 2013-02-26
#5912765 Posted on: 05/17/2021 11:30 AM
Answer could be both Yes and No.
Under normal home/office usage if some consumer 512GB SSD drive has lets say TBW = 800TB and it dies after 700TB inside of 3 or 5 year warranty period there is a valid reason for RMA. Thing is that there is almost impossible for an average user to make so much write trafic under normal home or office usage to get to these 700, 800TB inside 3 to 5 year warranty period.
On the other hand Chia is heavy on SSD controller and NAND cells, a lot of stress for a piece of HW not designed to be fully stressed 24/7, talking about consumer SSD, not those made for enterprise usage. Lets say one buys a family car and gets a 100.000Km or 3 years warranty, sits in a car and drives 24/7 like there is no tomorrow, car not made for heavy usage like that dies within weeks after 50.000Km. Does a car buyer have a full right for car RMA for such non-adequate usage in short period of time... I don't think so.
As @Undying already mentioned Chia miners/farmers should use enterprise SLC or MLC based SSD made for heavy usage 24/7... but those TLC and QLC based consumer SSDs are way way cheaperm of course Chia miners/farmers are targeting cheaper consumer SSDs, guess they don't give a f#*k about cheap consumer SSDs as long as they can get RMA requests accepted for those. For sure SSD manufacturers are going to get clogged with RMA requests for consumer SSDs in next few months. If this Chia bullshit contnues for sure SSD manufacturers are going to adopt new rules for SSD warranty/RMA... or to significantly lower TBW in specs... or to raise the SSD prices ...or everything mentioned.
Interesting story about non-adequate usage of product and refused RMA request... Friend of a friend of mine last winter bought a branded summer sneakers in well known retail, those were on sale. Month and a half later (guess he was wearing them mostly outside), it was February this year iirc, sneakers started to peel off here and there. He took them for an RMA in same retail store: they've refused to RMA those with explanation that those summer sneakers were not used in period of year they were made for (spring & summer). He couldn't do a thing for that RMA to be accepted. Lesson learned... don't use a product outside warranty rules. Guess he should wait for a summer to RMA these sneakers
so, the advertised TBW is false? I mean, if some manufacturer advertises 1000 TBW and it dies sooner, the TBW is not true. Or how to understand this.
Answer could be both Yes and No.
Under normal home/office usage if some consumer 512GB SSD drive has lets say TBW = 800TB and it dies after 700TB inside of 3 or 5 year warranty period there is a valid reason for RMA. Thing is that there is almost impossible for an average user to make so much write trafic under normal home or office usage to get to these 700, 800TB inside 3 to 5 year warranty period.
On the other hand Chia is heavy on SSD controller and NAND cells, a lot of stress for a piece of HW not designed to be fully stressed 24/7, talking about consumer SSD, not those made for enterprise usage. Lets say one buys a family car and gets a 100.000Km or 3 years warranty, sits in a car and drives 24/7 like there is no tomorrow, car not made for heavy usage like that dies within weeks after 50.000Km. Does a car buyer have a full right for car RMA for such non-adequate usage in short period of time... I don't think so.
As @Undying already mentioned Chia miners/farmers should use enterprise SLC or MLC based SSD made for heavy usage 24/7... but those TLC and QLC based consumer SSDs are way way cheaperm of course Chia miners/farmers are targeting cheaper consumer SSDs, guess they don't give a f#*k about cheap consumer SSDs as long as they can get RMA requests accepted for those. For sure SSD manufacturers are going to get clogged with RMA requests for consumer SSDs in next few months. If this Chia bullshit contnues for sure SSD manufacturers are going to adopt new rules for SSD warranty/RMA... or to significantly lower TBW in specs... or to raise the SSD prices ...or everything mentioned.
Interesting story about non-adequate usage of product and refused RMA request... Friend of a friend of mine last winter bought a branded summer sneakers in well known retail, those were on sale. Month and a half later (guess he was wearing them mostly outside), it was February this year iirc, sneakers started to peel off here and there. He took them for an RMA in same retail store: they've refused to RMA those with explanation that those summer sneakers were not used in period of year they were made for (spring & summer). He couldn't do a thing for that RMA to be accepted. Lesson learned... don't use a product outside warranty rules. Guess he should wait for a summer to RMA these sneakers
Andy Watson
Senior Member
Posts: 304
Joined: 2017-09-22
Senior Member
Posts: 304
Joined: 2017-09-22
#5912769 Posted on: 05/17/2021 11:36 AM
To be fair Chia itself says to create the plot (s) using the SSD as a temporary measure then move it to a HDD, creating it does take a lot of time, but only about a day or so. I guess if you have lots of hard drives and create say 1000 plots on the SSD before moving them over then you might also have issues ??????
I did it for a week or so recently, but it came apparent that unless you were in at the start, or near the start, when you could get Chia quite quickly now you need a good percentage of a Petabyte to have a chance of creating money out of it in a relatively short period of time. Hence why the number of hard drives is being bought up similar to graphics cards now.
Even when I was doing the total plot size went from 300 or so Petabytes to about 800. Now it about 5 Exabytes or whatever the next one up is.... and still getting bigger.
Of course the guy who invented it, who also did bittorrent is sitting pretty, along with his workers and friends, they all got the low lying fruit at the start so he is probably a billionaire already if he had any sense as the price is already about $1500 per chia I think.
To be fair Chia itself says to create the plot (s) using the SSD as a temporary measure then move it to a HDD, creating it does take a lot of time, but only about a day or so. I guess if you have lots of hard drives and create say 1000 plots on the SSD before moving them over then you might also have issues ??????
I did it for a week or so recently, but it came apparent that unless you were in at the start, or near the start, when you could get Chia quite quickly now you need a good percentage of a Petabyte to have a chance of creating money out of it in a relatively short period of time. Hence why the number of hard drives is being bought up similar to graphics cards now.
Even when I was doing the total plot size went from 300 or so Petabytes to about 800. Now it about 5 Exabytes or whatever the next one up is.... and still getting bigger.
Of course the guy who invented it, who also did bittorrent is sitting pretty, along with his workers and friends, they all got the low lying fruit at the start so he is probably a billionaire already if he had any sense as the price is already about $1500 per chia I think.
cryohellinc
Senior Member
Posts: 3534
Joined: 2014-10-20
Senior Member
Posts: 3534
Joined: 2014-10-20
#5912774 Posted on: 05/17/2021 11:59 AM
All of those coins are a massive financial pyramid with little to no actual values. The amount of electricity consumed and waste is insane.
This has to be stopped or at least regulated on a governmental level.
All of those coins are a massive financial pyramid with little to no actual values. The amount of electricity consumed and waste is insane.
This has to be stopped or at least regulated on a governmental level.
Silva
Senior Member
Posts: 1992
Joined: 2013-06-04
Senior Member
Posts: 1992
Joined: 2013-06-04
#5912778 Posted on: 05/17/2021 12:31 PM
All of those coins are a massive financial pyramid with little to no actual values. The amount of electricity consumed and waste is insane.
This has to be stopped or at least regulated on a governmental level.
Any reasonable intelligent person knows this. But we're still a long way of having someone with the power to do something.
It has started though:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-bytes/binance-probed-by-us-as-money-laundering-tax-sleuths-bore-in/articleshow/82612416.cms
All of those coins are a massive financial pyramid with little to no actual values. The amount of electricity consumed and waste is insane.
This has to be stopped or at least regulated on a governmental level.
Any reasonable intelligent person knows this. But we're still a long way of having someone with the power to do something.
It has started though:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-bytes/binance-probed-by-us-as-money-laundering-tax-sleuths-bore-in/articleshow/82612416.cms
Click here to post a comment for this news story on the message forum.
Posts: 3695
Joined: 2009-01-03
1 plot eats about 270 to 300GB writes
1k plots is like 300TBW
10k plots is like 3000TBW most gen 4 nvme drives rated at 3600TBW before failure
12k plots to fully use up 3600TBW writes
you need 1.2PB storage for 12k plots
you can fit 110 plots on 12TB external hard drive which will last 5+ years 24/7/365 usage if configured properly like windows not turning hard drive on and off etc