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Updated: Core i9 CPU Series will get soldered heatspreader
Back in July we mentioned that word out on the street was that Intel has been shipping some samples of the Core i9-9900K to overclockers, and as they found out, the 8-core parts do not use thermal paste, however, have the heat spreader directly soldered towards the die, much like Ryzen has.
A bund of new slides are confirming that fact once more. If you think about it, the reason behind this could be twofold.
- Intel has been listening to the cries of all of us requesting a soldered SKUs for better thermal performance.
- Just that, they need it for thermal performance.
Of course, the answer is the last one, the extra cores based on the very same Coffee Lake architecture that well pretty much is Skylake when you think about it will produce more heat and that is a challenge to deal with. But yeah, in the end, it is good news to be brutally honest.
The clocks have been confirmed once more as well, Core i9-9900K has 8-cores/16-threads and will clock in that 5.0 GHz range in a single-core turbo mode. Neither the Core i7-9700K nor Core i5-9600K will support HyperThreading. You can watch the per core clock frequencies here.
Update:
XFastest on their facebook got their hands on some samples and delidded them, it's confirmed again, they are soldering the heatspreaders.
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#5574479 Posted on: 08/16/2018 07:56 PM
So until today Intel was saying that soldering can course microscopic cracks so they could not solder even small 4 core K series, but now when they need it they can solder 8 core CPU no problem, Shame u Intel!.
So until today Intel was saying that soldering can course microscopic cracks so they could not solder even small 4 core K series, but now when they need it they can solder 8 core CPU no problem, Shame u Intel!.
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#5574483 Posted on: 08/16/2018 08:01 PM
I am so looking forward to putting one of these on Ln2!
I am so looking forward to putting one of these on Ln2!
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#5574486 Posted on: 08/16/2018 08:07 PM
But, but, but... microcracks!
But, but, but... microcracks!
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#5574490 Posted on: 08/16/2018 08:23 PM
So no HT on i7, slower mem and higher price.
Cant wait to switch back to red...
So no HT on i7, slower mem and higher price.
Cant wait to switch back to red...
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#5574492 Posted on: 08/16/2018 08:33 PM
Keyword is can - If you read the original whitepaper Intel released on the thermal issue, it's not something that's going to impact all processors.. it just leads to a higher variable defect rate caused by thermal cycling of the processor over a period of time, with some likely occurring within the warranty period. Intel ships over 120m processors a quarter.. even a slight impact in defect rate is going to be a lot of money. That's not to mention that the crux of the issue is heat density - not only is Intel's process historically more dense but their cache/AVX512 registers are far more dense than anything AMD has on it's processors - David Kanter talks about this in a PC Perspective podcast when Zen came out.
They may just be willing to accept a higher defect rate for this line, given its relatively small marketshare, in return for higher performance.
So until today Intel was saying that soldering can course microscopic cracks so they could not solder even small 4 core K series, but now when they need it they can solder 8 core CPU no problem, Shame u Intel!.
Keyword is can - If you read the original whitepaper Intel released on the thermal issue, it's not something that's going to impact all processors.. it just leads to a higher variable defect rate caused by thermal cycling of the processor over a period of time, with some likely occurring within the warranty period. Intel ships over 120m processors a quarter.. even a slight impact in defect rate is going to be a lot of money. That's not to mention that the crux of the issue is heat density - not only is Intel's process historically more dense but their cache/AVX512 registers are far more dense than anything AMD has on it's processors - David Kanter talks about this in a PC Perspective podcast when Zen came out.
They may just be willing to accept a higher defect rate for this line, given its relatively small marketshare, in return for higher performance.
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#5574497 Posted on: 08/16/2018 09:04 PM
So what was the worst contributor to the thermal yo-yo solder fracturing mayhem? Those wonderful IGP's of theirs?o_O
Kicking those out and returning to solder henceforth wouldn't be that much of a risk for Intel then, would it...'oh yes, why not, let it run at FIVE Djiggohertses!!! AMD's Ryzen won't know what hit them!!!'
So what was the worst contributor to the thermal yo-yo solder fracturing mayhem? Those wonderful IGP's of theirs?o_O
Kicking those out and returning to solder henceforth wouldn't be that much of a risk for Intel then, would it...'oh yes, why not, let it run at FIVE Djiggohertses!!! AMD's Ryzen won't know what hit them!!!'
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#5574511 Posted on: 08/16/2018 09:50 PM
So no HT on i7, slower mem and higher price.
Cant wait to switch back to red...
slower mem ?
it s ddr4 2666Mhz like i7 8700k or i9 9900k
So no HT on i7, slower mem and higher price.
Cant wait to switch back to red...
slower mem ?
it s ddr4 2666Mhz like i7 8700k or i9 9900k
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#5574512 Posted on: 08/16/2018 09:51 PM
Will this fix the
Intel HyperThreading vulnerability
spectre vulnerability
meltdown vulnerability
Foreshadow vulnerability
No No No but spectacular execution makes games faster in 1920 x 1080 by 12% so its worth ignoring.
Intel users need to get a grip. That's including myself.
Time to jump ship enough is enough.
Will this fix the
Intel HyperThreading vulnerability
spectre vulnerability
meltdown vulnerability
Foreshadow vulnerability
No No No but spectacular execution makes games faster in 1920 x 1080 by 12% so its worth ignoring.
Intel users need to get a grip. That's including myself.
Time to jump ship enough is enough.
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#5574524 Posted on: 08/16/2018 10:56 PM
Will this fix the
Intel HyperThreading vulnerability
spectre vulnerability
meltdown vulnerability
Foreshadow vulnerability
No No No but spectacular execution makes games faster in 1920 x 1080 by 12% so its worth ignoring.
Intel users need to get a grip. That's including myself.
Time to jump ship enough is enough.
Go play badminton
Will this fix the
Intel HyperThreading vulnerability
spectre vulnerability
meltdown vulnerability
Foreshadow vulnerability
No No No but spectacular execution makes games faster in 1920 x 1080 by 12% so its worth ignoring.
Intel users need to get a grip. That's including myself.
Time to jump ship enough is enough.
Go play badminton
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#5574528 Posted on: 08/16/2018 11:10 PM
Core i9??? What is this???....
Long live AMD Threadripper and Game Mode = BETTER in games than Intel... in multitasking I wont start talking... its so humilating...
Core i9??? What is this???....
Long live AMD Threadripper and Game Mode = BETTER in games than Intel... in multitasking I wont start talking... its so humilating...
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#5574531 Posted on: 08/16/2018 11:49 PM
since when normality is presented and advertised as an extraordinary feature?
soldered heat spreader-it's a given at that price and thermal levels-why Intel is offering it as a feature is beyond logic.
Even some low-end Ryzen are soldered, Intel has to learn to respect more its consumers.
since when normality is presented and advertised as an extraordinary feature?
soldered heat spreader-it's a given at that price and thermal levels-why Intel is offering it as a feature is beyond logic.
Even some low-end Ryzen are soldered, Intel has to learn to respect more its consumers.
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#5574532 Posted on: 08/16/2018 11:50 PM
Unfortunately not even close in a lot of games.
Game Mode = BETTER in games than Intel.
Unfortunately not even close in a lot of games.
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#5574533 Posted on: 08/16/2018 11:54 PM
since when normality is presented and advertised as an extraordinary feature?
soldered heat spreader-it's a given at that price and thermal levels-why Intel is offering it as a feature is beyond logic.
Even some low-end Ryzen are soldered, Intel has to learn to respect more its consumers.
Unfortunately not the case. ThreadRipper is cool, it's got reasonable gaming performance on a par with the normal Ryzen CPU's but there's very few games out there which utilise the available cores properly. Fantastic for streaming and so on though.
Pity the cost is so high for the 9xxx range. Hopefully it'll drop fast as that 9700K is looking pretty tasty for my sim rig when OC'd to 5GHz plus...
since when normality is presented and advertised as an extraordinary feature?
soldered heat spreader-it's a given at that price and thermal levels-why Intel is offering it as a feature is beyond logic.
Even some low-end Ryzen are soldered, Intel has to learn to respect more its consumers.
Unfortunately not the case. ThreadRipper is cool, it's got reasonable gaming performance on a par with the normal Ryzen CPU's but there's very few games out there which utilise the available cores properly. Fantastic for streaming and so on though.
Pity the cost is so high for the 9xxx range. Hopefully it'll drop fast as that 9700K is looking pretty tasty for my sim rig when OC'd to 5GHz plus...
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#5574538 Posted on: 08/17/2018 12:26 AM
since when normality is presented and advertised as an extraordinary feature?
soldered heat spreader-it's a given at that price and thermal levels-why Intel is offering it as a feature is beyond logic.
Even some low-end Ryzen are soldered, Intel has to learn to respect more its consumers.
I still find it amazing how delidding is a thing (including delidding kits). It's a testament to Intel's decade-long monopoly that people have simply accepted the use of paste as normal (similar to how gamers today accept the Titan premium), and a reminder of the importance of competition in the marketplace. Hell, this Core i9 would not even exist if it wasn't for competition.
Also, this "confirmed" news is still just a rumor (anonymous source).
since when normality is presented and advertised as an extraordinary feature?
soldered heat spreader-it's a given at that price and thermal levels-why Intel is offering it as a feature is beyond logic.
Even some low-end Ryzen are soldered, Intel has to learn to respect more its consumers.
I still find it amazing how delidding is a thing (including delidding kits). It's a testament to Intel's decade-long monopoly that people have simply accepted the use of paste as normal (similar to how gamers today accept the Titan premium), and a reminder of the importance of competition in the marketplace. Hell, this Core i9 would not even exist if it wasn't for competition.
Also, this "confirmed" news is still just a rumor (anonymous source).
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Sadly that wont fix the security flaws.