Computex 2017: AMD Press conference on Threadripper and X399
The AMD press conference covered several topics mainly, Vega and of course everything Ryzen related from mobile to PC. In this news-item we’ll go a little deeper into the CPU part, aka Threadripper 16-core processors and their respective X300 series Chipset platform.
AMD has been talking EPIC processors and ODM PCs like the ones from Dell, HP and ASUS. ASUS was showing their new 8-core Ryzen based laptop we mentioned in an earlier news-item. AMD has been going string with the initial launch wave of Ryzen. Ryzen Series 5 and 7 are out series 3 would be released later this year as well as the Pro series and mobile series for laptops. That would be a part with integrated graphics (IGP), which as always, AMD calls and APU. AMD talked a lot about ODM systems (system integrators) like Dell.
Ryzen for Mobile versus ThreadRipper ... quite a difference in size :)
I’ll stick towards the enthusiast range of products though as the big word is Threadripper processors for weeks now. AMD will released the Threadripper series processor. It was announced already, 16-core part processor parts. Ryzen is fabbed using a 14nm FinFet process. That fabrication node has been in use and refined for over a year now hence earlier on we already posted that processor yields (fabrication at 14nm) are good for AMD. Hence they can quickly and expand to more cores. (Ry) Zen processor dies aren't that massive, that helps in wafer yields. With 14nm FinFET yields high, the AMD Threadripper series processors make sense for AMD to be released for the consumer segment on an enthusiast series motherboards. Threadripper processors are the 8-core Summit Ridge dies doubled up. The 16-core and 32-threaded processor series have been detailed a bit more on the press-conference. Threadripper remain on track for a release this summer. And since the summer ends in September we can assume that the actual release could be in an August time-frame.
Confirmed are the 64 PCIe lanes gen 3.0), quad channel DDR4 memory.
Threadripper is not a codename as was earlier on mentioned in the same conference call, this actually will be the brand name for the 16, 14 and 12 core parts from AMD. The codename remains to be Whitehaven. This means that it will not be called a Ryzen 9 series processor (but hey who knows as that could change right?). The Whitehaven motherboard platform should includes support for quad-channel DDR4 memory support and offer additional PCIe lanes. Some unconfirmed additional rumors on these processors can be read up here. The platform will be using Socket design SP3r2, a 4094-pin socket that was developed for the AMD Naples series server processors, but again, AMD did a 180 and is introducing it also as high-end desktop platform series processors and chipsets. Whitehaven will bring quad-channel towards the processor series and the most high-end process would get a 155W TDP, 125W for the 10 core parts.
- Expected to feature up to 16 cores and 32 threads
- All new high end desktop platform that will include more memory and I/O bandwidth than the current AM4 platform
- Targeted at the world’s fastest ultra premium desktop and workstation systems
- Coming in Summer 2017
The table below is unconfirmed and based upon earlier leaked and _totally_ unconfirmed information.
Overview |
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Ryzen 9-cpu |
Cores/threads |
Clock/boost |
Tdp |
Memory |
Pci-e-lanes |
1998X |
16/32 |
3,5/3,9GHz |
155W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1998 |
16/32 |
3,2/3,6GHz |
155W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1977X |
14/28 |
3,5/4,0GHz |
155W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1977 |
14/28 |
3,2/3,7GHz |
140W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1976X |
12/24 |
3,6/4,1GHz |
125W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1956X |
12/24 |
3,2/3,8GHz |
125W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1956 |
12/24 |
3,0/3,7GHz |
125W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1955X |
10/20 |
3,6/4,0GHz |
125W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
1955 |
10/20 |
3,1/3,7GHz |
125W |
Quad Channel DDR4 |
44 |
X399 motherboards
X399 platforms for AMDs High-end desktop platform, let's call them enthusiast class processors. These would be intended for the CPUs like we mentioned earlier today, the 16-core / 32-threaded parts. Much like the X99/X299 platform from Intel. ASUS already announced the Zenith Extreme X399 Motherboard yesterday. That dude of a mobo offers quad DDR4 channels, and it’s backed by up to a whopping 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes for multiple graphics cards and ultra-fast NVMe SSDs. This Threadripper ready mobo holds 8x DDR4 DIMM modules that can hold 128 GB of DDR4 memory and 4x PCIe x16 slots and support up to three NVMe M.2 drives. As you can spot on the photos, power delivery is supplied with a dual 8 pin connector configuration along with a 24 Pin ATX connector. There are four PCI-e 3.0 x16 slots, a single PCI-e 3.0 x4 and then a single PCI-e 3.0 x1 slot. Storage wise this mobo has 6 SATA III ports, a single U.2 port, two USB 3.0 front panel headers and an internal USB 2.0 port. You'll notice one more (extra) DIMM slot, this is called Dimm.2 and you can pop in an addon card that can house two M2 SSDs. A rather unusual yet intersting way of implementing that alright. The motherboard will get a 10 Gbit ethernet (Aquantia AQtion AQC107 10Gb ethernet controller), by means of a PCI-Express add-in card, but also will get dual-band Wi-Fi solution that supports the new 802.11ad protocol and is capable of theoretical tranfer rates up to 4.6Gbps.
The Zenith Extreme obviously is going to support ASUS AURA Sync RGB lighting and will support SupremeFX audio. More news and info on this product will follow, below have a browse at some of the photos as a bit of an exclusive sneak peak. Dang, that SP3 4094 pins socket!
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EPYC far more epic than EPIC...
While AMD spells it "EPYC", I can't help but think that this is yet another jab in the eye to Intel, because when Itanium was launched Intel named the architecture line "EPIC"...
EPIC, or Itanium, was what Intel planned for the entire global market, desktop and server, in terms of 64-bit computing, if you will recall. Intel even launched an ad campaign, believe it or not, entitled, "Why You Don't Need 64-bits on the Desktop," etc. When it became clear to Intel that the global market had rejected EPIC and adopted x86-64 from AMD (With DDR-SDRAM instead of the far more expensive RDRAM Intel was peddling) it threw in the towel and licensed x86-64 from AMD and thus Core 2 was born, and we know the history after that. (Had AMD not suffered extreme lapses in top management post the A64, something like Ryzen would have happened many years before it did--in terms of the competitive impact it would have had. That is water over the dam now--AMD is on track and has clear direction once again. I still cannot believe how versatile and multi-talented Lisa Su is! No "empty suit, bean-counter" is she!)
You would have thought that Intel would have realized that the already-well defined global x86 computing marketplace was not about to dump x86 Windows and x86 hardware standards (most of them established by Intel, in another bit of irony) and *all* of the existing x86 software base--for the dubious pleasure of paying through the nose for EPIC/Itanium and Rdram hardware/software to *completely replace* all of its existing hardware and software (with yet-to-be-written brand-new EPIC software and/or running x86 software through a dog-slow x86 software emulator on top of Itanium!)
Had Intel succeeded in converting the world markets to EPIC/Itanium back then, right after Core1--well, I shudder to think--as Intel's monopoly would have been nearly complete and iron clad--Intel had even *announced* that it was licensing the *EPIC/Itanium bus* to *nobody*! Had the company's corner-the-market-approach actually worked back then--there would be but one CPU company left--Intel, and nobody else. AMD has, in contrast, an x86 Pentium bus license (that AMD never used since it was a 32-bit license, among other things) that it got through the cross-licensing deal with Intel, a deal that gave Intel in return its x86-64 license--which was the foundation of Core 2 and all of Intel's 64-bit desktop x86 computing ever since.
I could talk about those days, long ago, at length--about how, when AMD first announced the original Athlon, that Intel launched a campaign of intimidation and threats against companies like Asus--telling these previously Intel-exclusive OEMs that if they picked up anything from AMD--anything at all--namely motherboard production based on AMD chipsets and Athlon cpus--that Intel *could no longer guarantee* these OEMs with the ongoing availability of Intel parts in the future...
Yes, it was that crude and rude in the beginning--Intel was determined to snuff AMD out before it could get started. Fortunately, the OEMs unanimously banded together and jabbed Intel in the eye again and *ramped up* their AMD supporting hardware production, instead of ceasing! When that backfired, then Intel resorted to paying OEMs of all types *not to sell* any AMD products, but to sell Intel exclusively--and the only OEM who actually followed Intel 100% was...*DELL* believe it or not. Dell remained an Intel-exclusive OEM for many years *after* the Athlon and the A64 had stolen the show, and from what I recall of those days Intel was paying DELL *a fortune* in kickbacks and in many a quarter in those days absorbing *a loss*--which screwed up Dell's real balance sheets big time--it was a big, big mess in those days.
Anyway--all that is long behind us--Intel settled AMD's monopoly suit and paid AMD a cool $1B in cash, but far more importantly, imo, Intel agreed in writing to never again commit anti-competitive acts such as paying OEMs not to sell AMD products, threatening them with parts retaliation if they sold AMD as well as Intel, etc.
Back in those days it was an epic struggle indeed--with Intel pulling out all of the stops to destroy a competitor just as it had successfully done with every single would-be x86 cpu competitor that ever existed--apart from AMD. AMD is the only x86 cpu company to not only challenge Intel and live to talk about it, but a competitor to Intel who has bested Intel on the high end of x86 performance many times to date! AMD stands alone in that category, and that is why I support them as I do. Competition that makes Intel huff and puff with effort to keep up is competition the x86 cpu market needs desperately, but in perpetuity. Looks like this go-around that AMD is here to stay as Intel's fiercest competitor--it's an EPYC struggle, indeed.
(Apologies for the lack of brevity here--I got carried away...!)