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Coffee Lake Processors will not be compatible with Series 200 Chipsets
There has been a bit of confusion about upcoming Intel 6-core Coffee Lake being compatible with the current motherboards like thr Z270 series. Coffee lake makes use of the same socket and as such people expected (or had hoped for that).
It is now confirmed that you cannot use Coffee Lake on existing motherboards. In Specific it was ASRock who unraveled this mystery with a tweet:
As to why Coffee Lake cannot be used on Z270 remains a mystery though. The new processors will likele be introduced in late August or September with their accompanying Z370-chipset.
The presumable i7 8700K will have a 95W TDP, 3.7 GHz base clock, 4 GHz boost for 4/6 cores, 4.2 GHz for dual core and 4.3 GHz for a single core (likely 2 threads). Then there will be a 95W part with 3.2 GHz base clock and 3.4 GHz boost for 4/6 cores, and 3.6 GHz boost for 1 or two 2 threads. The last SKU is a 65W chip with a base clock of 3.1 GHz but 4/6 core turbos to 3.9 GHz. Dual core boost is 4.1 GHz while single core goes up to 4.2 GHz:
Three Coffee Lake Processor Specs and Details Revealed - 07/24/2017 09:12 AM
last week I already showed you a CPU-Z screenshot of a Coffee Lake Proc, this round there is information available on three SKUS. ...
Intel Coffee Lake 6-core CPU-Z screenshot Surfaces - 07/22/2017 09:27 AM
Leave it to Asia bsaed websites to leak stuff, a fist CPU-Z screenshot of an Intel Coffee Lake six-core processor just surfaced on the web and looking at the hardware registers, it shows is indeed is ...
Intel 6-core Coffee Lake Surfaces in GeekBench (again) - 06/27/2017 05:17 PM
An Intel upcoming 6-core Coffee Lake generation processor has surfaces in GeekBench (again). This CPU scored 4619 points on a single thread and 20828 on multi-threading. A comparable slightly clocked ...
Intel Coffee Lake Shows up in SiSoft Sandra Results - 04/24/2017 02:23 PM
Over the weekend we already had a bit of a chat that Intel would be releasing some processors during Computex. It seems now that Coffee Lake is alive as well....
(Updated) 6-Core Intel processors going mainstream in 2018 with Coffee Lake - 11/20/2016 10:36 AM
As AMDs processors close in with Zen slowly yet steadily we see some movement at Intel as well. For ages now 4-core processors have been the norm in the mainstream desktop segment, it seems that 6-c...
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#5458844 Posted on: 08/03/2017 04:15 PM
Intel needs to bleed.. We need 2,3 yeas of AMD supermancy, to return Intel on ground again, but now is AMD at same CPU level at best..
No Ryzen APus, no good 5w,10w,15w quad cores with good GPU for ultralights, handhelds etc.. - There could AMD lead.
No more than 512 shader units in APU, when there 3 years available console APUs with 1100+ shader units - big fail.
I dont mind if AMD could create some old lasting MB line line socket 7 (super socket 7) - where you could use everything from Intel Pentium 60 MHz to AMD K6-III - 550 MHz, i want lots of 3D and Now baby..
Intel needs to bleed.. We need 2,3 yeas of AMD supermancy, to return Intel on ground again, but now is AMD at same CPU level at best..
No Ryzen APus, no good 5w,10w,15w quad cores with good GPU for ultralights, handhelds etc.. - There could AMD lead.
No more than 512 shader units in APU, when there 3 years available console APUs with 1100+ shader units - big fail.
I dont mind if AMD could create some old lasting MB line line socket 7 (super socket 7) - where you could use everything from Intel Pentium 60 MHz to AMD K6-III - 550 MHz, i want lots of 3D and Now baby..
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#5458955 Posted on: 08/03/2017 07:05 PM
If you upgrading that much and can afford to do that im sure you can afford a new motherboard. Im on 1150 ddr3 4790k so i would had to upgrade everything regardless and its not like i even need to. If Coffee can beat Kaby with a 15% increase i would upgrade. I think for me would be like 35% better.
If you upgrading that much and can afford to do that im sure you can afford a new motherboard. Im on 1150 ddr3 4790k so i would had to upgrade everything regardless and its not like i even need to. If Coffee can beat Kaby with a 15% increase i would upgrade. I think for me would be like 35% better.
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#5458966 Posted on: 08/03/2017 07:18 PM
guess i will be sticking to my 6700k for the forseeable future so 3-5 more yaers less mutli thread becomes something dev and programs start to use correctly and it be comes huge bottleneck
guess i will be sticking to my 6700k for the forseeable future so 3-5 more yaers less mutli thread becomes something dev and programs start to use correctly and it be comes huge bottleneck
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#5458974 Posted on: 08/03/2017 07:25 PM
It's not that these parts won't come out, they're just a low priority. It was wise of AMD to do things in the order they did. Ryzen acted more as a proof of concept than anything. I don't think they expected it to sell well, because it really only caters to enthusiasts and investors. TR meanwhile is where AMD's real money-making will begin, since they're now entering a segment that has been in-demand but too expensive thanks to Intel's monopoly. They're doing TR first because AMD already has a little too much competition in the server market (which Epyc targets), so TR is basically a downscaled sample for server admins to experiment on, where they then get to decide if Epyc is where they want to upgrade. If that works, AMD ought to be pretty competitive.
FM2+ APUs are still decent products and don't need immediate replacement. AMD is still working on Infinity Fabric for their GPUs, so until that's complete, the APUs have to wait anyway. Without APUs, AMD isn't going to be all that interested in creating laptop chips. For companies that don't want an APU laptop, they're already doing Ryzen-based laptops anyway.
As for other mobile devices, I don't think AMD is going to even attempt to get into that. Keep in mind even Intel gave up on that.
The consoles also have lower clocks, less RAM, and use custom chips. To my knowledge, the consoles are still based on Jaguar cores, which are significantly simpler than Zen cores (meaning, they take up a lot less space). There just simply might not be enough room to fit more than 512 shaders.
That's what GPUs are for...
No Ryzen APus, no good 5w,10w,15w quad cores with good GPU for ultralights, handhelds etc.. - There could AMD lead.
It's not that these parts won't come out, they're just a low priority. It was wise of AMD to do things in the order they did. Ryzen acted more as a proof of concept than anything. I don't think they expected it to sell well, because it really only caters to enthusiasts and investors. TR meanwhile is where AMD's real money-making will begin, since they're now entering a segment that has been in-demand but too expensive thanks to Intel's monopoly. They're doing TR first because AMD already has a little too much competition in the server market (which Epyc targets), so TR is basically a downscaled sample for server admins to experiment on, where they then get to decide if Epyc is where they want to upgrade. If that works, AMD ought to be pretty competitive.
FM2+ APUs are still decent products and don't need immediate replacement. AMD is still working on Infinity Fabric for their GPUs, so until that's complete, the APUs have to wait anyway. Without APUs, AMD isn't going to be all that interested in creating laptop chips. For companies that don't want an APU laptop, they're already doing Ryzen-based laptops anyway.
As for other mobile devices, I don't think AMD is going to even attempt to get into that. Keep in mind even Intel gave up on that.
No more than 512 shader units in APU, when there 3 years available console APUs with 1100+ shader units - big fail.
The consoles also have lower clocks, less RAM, and use custom chips. To my knowledge, the consoles are still based on Jaguar cores, which are significantly simpler than Zen cores (meaning, they take up a lot less space). There just simply might not be enough room to fit more than 512 shaders.
I dont mind if AMD could create some old lasting MB line line socket 7 (super socket 7) - where you could use everything from Intel Pentium 60 MHz to AMD K6-III - 550 MHz, i want lots of 3D and Now baby..
That's what GPUs are for...
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I can't say I'm too surprised by this. Socket 1151 is a minor tweak to 1150 and collectively they have lasted a modestly long time. Considering how much their product lineup has been shifted, they're likely trying to adjust for any headroom they need to compensate for.
Which Sempron days? Semprons have been in production from 2004-2016.
I'm pretty sure the fabrication node has very little to do with needing to replace sockets. For example, an AM3 CPU can be used on an AM2+ and an AM3+ motherboard. That's a range of 65nm to 32nm.