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Government funded Chinese NAND manufacturer, Yangtze Memory Technologies is to reveal more details about its Xtacking technology during Flash Memory Summit held from the 6th till the 9th of August this year. Xtacking technology should bring DDR4 RAM speeds to NAND memory.
In a press release, the company announces that its CEO, Simon Yang, will talk at the Flash Memory Summit, “where he will illustrate how the company’s new technology can increase NAND I/O speed up to DRAM DDR4 while delivering industry-leading bit density, marking a quantum leap for the NAND market.”
Transfer rates of DDR4 memory can range from 17 GB/s for DDR4 2133 up to 25.6GB/s for DDR4 3200. Current fast NVMe SSDs can achieve transfer rates of up to 3,500 MB/s for sequential reads, and up to 2,100 MB/s for sequential writes, which means drives with, “patent-pending”, Xtacking technology need to be 5-7 times faster than current NVMe SSDs.
Wuhan, China, July 25, 2018 - Yangtze Memory Technologies Co., Ltd (YMTC), a new player in the NAND industry, will be joining Flash Memory Summit this year for the first time, delivering a much-anticipated keynote address to reveal its ground-breaking technology - XtackingTM. YMTC is the first Chinese company to take part in the high-entry-barrier NAND flash memory industry with its new architecture for unprecedented performance, higher bit density, and faster time-to-market.
Simon Yang, YMTC CEO, will deliver a keynote address, Unleashing 3D NAND’s Potential with an Innovative Architecture, on August 7th, from 3:00 p.m. at the Mission Ballroom in the Santa Clara Convention Center, where he will illustrate how the company’s new technology can increase NAND I/O speed up to DRAM DDR4 while delivering industry-leading bit density, marking a quantum leap for the NAND market.
The XtackingTM technology will enable the production of NAND that has unprecedented I/O speed and as a result, increase the performance of NAND solutions such as embedded UFS, client SSD, and enterprise SSD to a level that is unheard of. With help from customers, industry partners, and standard bodies, XtackingTM will bring in a whole new chapter in high performance NAND solutions for smartphone, personal computing, data center, and enterprise applications.
The XtackingTM technology enables parallel processing of the NAND array and periphery. This modular approach to 3D NAND development and manufacturing will shorten the time-to-market for new generation of 3D NAND and open the possibility for customized NAND flash products.
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#5571581 Posted on: 08/07/2018 09:24 AM
Unfortunately the technology is either too expensive to mass produce or Intel isn't even interested in using it that much. If something is too expensive, it will stay as a niche market, thus not really playing a huge role in the bigger picture. You don't really see Optane drives competing with NAND drives in the SSD arena. If I had a single M.2 slot and had to choose between a 500GB NAND SSD and a 64GB Optane drive, the choice wouldn't be difficult, even if the Optane drive offered better random read and write.
The 16GB and 32GB Optanes were a joke and a real failure. However, the 900P is, in my opinion, the best thing Intel has made since Sandy Bridge. It is expensive, but it has the performance to back it up.
Unfortunately the technology is either too expensive to mass produce or Intel isn't even interested in using it that much. If something is too expensive, it will stay as a niche market, thus not really playing a huge role in the bigger picture. You don't really see Optane drives competing with NAND drives in the SSD arena. If I had a single M.2 slot and had to choose between a 500GB NAND SSD and a 64GB Optane drive, the choice wouldn't be difficult, even if the Optane drive offered better random read and write.
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#5571600 Posted on: 08/07/2018 10:43 AM
I look at Optane as more of a tech preview product than anything else. People are buying them and doing some really cool stuff but I don't think anyone can argue that the 900P is worth the price premium over the 970. The 1TB 905P in a 'no budget' build makes sense and caching a 6TB+ HDD to a 800P might also make sense (this works but isn't supported) but these are not common scenarios.
There is even a guy that did an 8 way VROC 0 Optane setup.
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?97190-VROC-Bootable-Raid-with-Intel-900p-when-will-this-be-supported-in-the-BIOS/page8
Unfortunately the technology is either too expensive to mass produce or Intel isn't even interested in using it that much. If something is too expensive, it will stay as a niche market, thus not really playing a huge role in the bigger picture. You don't really see Optane drives competing with NAND drives in the SSD arena. If I had a single M.2 slot and had to choose between a 500GB NAND SSD and a 64GB Optane drive, the choice wouldn't be difficult, even if the Optane drive offered better random read and write.
I look at Optane as more of a tech preview product than anything else. People are buying them and doing some really cool stuff but I don't think anyone can argue that the 900P is worth the price premium over the 970. The 1TB 905P in a 'no budget' build makes sense and caching a 6TB+ HDD to a 800P might also make sense (this works but isn't supported) but these are not common scenarios.
There is even a guy that did an 8 way VROC 0 Optane setup.
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?97190-VROC-Bootable-Raid-with-Intel-900p-when-will-this-be-supported-in-the-BIOS/page8
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#5571659 Posted on: 08/07/2018 01:33 PM
It's not so black and white - Intel knows they have something good and people are willing to pay for it. You aren't their target demographic, and neither am I (just because I acknowledge Optane is good, that doesn't mean I'm willing to buy it).
Unfortunately the technology is either too expensive to mass produce or Intel isn't even interested in using it that much. If something is too expensive, it will stay as a niche market, thus not really playing a huge role in the bigger picture. You don't really see Optane drives competing with NAND drives in the SSD arena. If I had a single M.2 slot and had to choose between a 500GB NAND SSD and a 64GB Optane drive, the choice wouldn't be difficult, even if the Optane drive offered better random read and write.
It's not so black and white - Intel knows they have something good and people are willing to pay for it. You aren't their target demographic, and neither am I (just because I acknowledge Optane is good, that doesn't mean I'm willing to buy it).
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#5571665 Posted on: 08/07/2018 02:01 PM
Sure. I have seen the numbers and can admit it's good technology, as much as I dislike Intel as a company. However, my first post talked about changing the PC world. 3D Xpoint has remained so small market wise that it's merely serving the few who are willing to spend the considerable money. They are happy with it, but it doesn't mean anything to the vast majority relying on NAND SSDs with more reasonable prices. My initial post might have been too ambiguous in this sense, perhaps.
It's not so black and white - Intel knows they have something good and people are willing to pay for it. You aren't their target demographic, and neither am I (just because I acknowledge Optane is good, that doesn't mean I'm willing to buy it).
Sure. I have seen the numbers and can admit it's good technology, as much as I dislike Intel as a company. However, my first post talked about changing the PC world. 3D Xpoint has remained so small market wise that it's merely serving the few who are willing to spend the considerable money. They are happy with it, but it doesn't mean anything to the vast majority relying on NAND SSDs with more reasonable prices. My initial post might have been too ambiguous in this sense, perhaps.
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I remember the last time some chinese company made amazing claims like this, supposedly 100% screen-to-body ratio on a phone and then showed of yet another notched phone
this just sounds like they are raid-ing a bunch of nand to get x7 sequential speeds, at best, there's no mention of random perf or anything else
I would love to see this and so far I see sketchy brands on amazon selling TLC drives that are just barely twice the cost of decent HDDs so it seems they are producing something and it isnt half bad, but this would be quite the jump from that