Canadian etailer publishes Intel 8th Gen Desktop CPU prices

#5464820 Posted on: 08/21/2017 07:54 PM

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Nice to see that many of you are putting into the dark the intel cpu's and at the same time manifesting the indifference for the Ryzen bug which does affect the gcc compilator and as it seems few others compilators as well.
Probably many of you do spend their time on a Windows machine by playing games, surfing and launching synthetic benchmarks but the reality is that no company within the big two is the best choice right now.
Intel made itself an auto goal with the last coffe lake decision to do not support x270 series motherboards and AMD repeated itself once again by the history - during all the time prior to the Ryzen release no one has it tested on a Linux machine as it had to be done!
Once again AMD is completely snobbing the Linux system and is doing it the best way it can, this should be enough to leave the Ryzen processors and the Vega gpus where they should be, on the shelve.
Many of you are running to buy AMD products by paying probably no much attention on the fact that the AMD company is not an angelic one and that it it is not better then Intel.
Intel on its counterpart does test their cpu's on the Linux and Unix like systems...want to see how many Apple pc's and notebook's will be released in the next future based on the Ryzen arch? Want to see how many Linux servers will be equipped with the Ryzens? Probably zero.
AMD was smart enought for having addressed the Ryzen bug by the arrival of the Threadripper's.
So from the AMD point of view it seems that Ryzens are made for playing and toying while the Threadrippers are for scholars and engineers.
And to say the last, Intel did always retired their faulty cpu's at their own cost...AMD is not doing the same with their awesome Ryzen's.

#5464823 Posted on: 08/21/2017 07:58 PM

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Well this looks like another stupid decision by Intel in a long line of stupid decisions. They seem to think they're still operating as a monopoly and are refusing to see the elephant in the room called Ryzen. Coffee Lake is potentially going to be a flop for Intel because they're effectively locking out all owners of Z100/200 from upgrading without buying yet another mobo with virtually the same specification. It's crazy. I only bought my 7700K and Z270 mobo in January when KL launched and now they've ended my upgrade path. Gee thanks Intel. As and when I'm ready to move to 6/8 core Intel will not even be a consideration. I'm not giving any money to a company that is so blatantly trying to shaft me LMAO. I only went Intel this time because I was concerned with the rumours regarding Ryzen CPU's which turned out to be well founded. As AMD are supporting AM4 for at least the next 3 to 4 years that won't be a problem when I next decide to upgrade. If CL does begin to flop it wouldn't surprise me if CL suddenly became backwards compatible to keep people like me on board and stop us from buying Ryzen chips with more cores and for less money. Time will tell I guess.

#5464824 Posted on: 08/21/2017 07:58 PM

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What makes you think AMD require a new socket every time? Zen+ will likely be compatible, Zen 2 will be on AM4+ socket. That's their 7 nm processor in the works, it makes sense that a new socket would be required or for maximum benefit.

#5464825 Posted on: 08/21/2017 08:00 PM

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I'm guessing that Intel originally had Coffee Lake planned for much later. I think they would have liked to milk KB and KB-X a bit more but felt pressured to respond to Ryzen.

#5464826 Posted on: 08/21/2017 08:00 PM

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Just how AMD did with the Bulldozer.

#5464828 Posted on: 08/21/2017 08:04 PM

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This will require a new motherboard as well. And judging by AMD past it is highly unlikely that Zen+ CPUs will be compatible with AM4/TR4 motherboards.

Still, unless there is pinout difference, it is highly likely to work on selected motherboards if BIOS is upgraded by manufacturers.

AMD are supporting AM4 to at least 2020 which will likely see Zen/Zen+/Zen++ (whatever it gets called). I do agree with your second point though. It will all boil down to whether Intel will let them and if sales are poor they will let them I'm sure.

#5464833 Posted on: 08/21/2017 08:18 PM

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Yeah, they have to settle with less milking... let's just hope they won't rush it as bad as they did with x299. Still ridiculous milking with yet another socket change.

#5464834 Posted on: 08/21/2017 08:19 PM

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They can keep it. I'll not swap my mobo for same socket.

#5464840 Posted on: 08/21/2017 08:54 PM

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I haven't used AMD since I had a socket 939 Opteron, but this really pisses me off and I think I'll buy AMD again for my next upgrade. Although I would still buy coffee lake if someone found a way to make it run on z170/270 boards (socket adapter, bios update, whatever).

#5464847 Posted on: 08/21/2017 09:20 PM

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More of the same from big blue.

#5464878 Posted on: 08/21/2017 10:19 PM

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Its not the socket, its the chipset.

#5464885 Posted on: 08/21/2017 10:46 PM

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I dont understand all the complaints about Chipset compatibility, it feels like most of you are just AMD fanboys making noise and string anti-Intel sentiment.

If you been using Intel CPU in the last 10 years you should know that Intel has One chipset per TWO CPU generation Plus chipset refresh with more features in the second year for the mainstream and one chipset per 2 CPU generations for the HEDT

X99: Haswell, Broadwell
X79: Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge
X58: Nehalem, Westmere

Z270: Refresh
Z170: Skylake, Kabylake

Z97: Refresh
Z87: Haswell, Broadwell

Z77: Refresh
Z68: Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge

P55: Lynnfield, Clarkdale

Going back to socket LGA 775 you can see how MUCH worse the chipset situation, during that period 4 different companies made TENS of chipsets for LGA775, Intel, ATI, Nvidia, ViA and SiS, one socket but Zero compatibility, one chipset worked with Pentium 4, another just with dual core, another with quad core and so on. One socket and Mega confusion, right now its the best it ever was.


Intel from i845 to 4X chipset:
i845GV/GE/i848P/i865G/GV/P/PE/i910GL/i915G/GL/GV/P/PL/i925X/XE/i945/955/i945G/P/ i955X/i946/946GZ/PL/965/i975/Q965/P965/G965/Q963/i975X/ X35/P35/Q35/G35/P33/G33/Q33/P31/G31/X38/X48/P45/P43/G45/G43/G41/B43/Q43/Q45,
SiS:
SiS 649/649FX/655/656/656FX/662/671/671FX/671DX/672
VIA:
PT800/PM800/PT880/PM880/P4M800/P4M800 Pro/PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra/PT894/PT894 Pro/P4M890/PT890/P4M900
ATI:
ATI Radeon Xpress 200; ATI Radeon Xpress 1250, ATI CrossFire Xpress 3200
nVidia:
nForce4 Ultra; nForce4 SLI XE; nForce4 SLI; nForce4 SLI X16; nForce 570 SLI; nForce 590 SLI; nForce 610i; nForce 630i; nForce 650i Ultra; nForce 650i SLI; nForce 680i LT SLI; nForce 680i SLI; nForce 730i; nForce 740i SLI; nForce 750i SLI; nForce 760i SLI; nForce 780i SLI; nForce 790i SLI; GeForce 9300; GeForce 9400

#5464886 Posted on: 08/21/2017 10:50 PM

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If you go AMD you will also be forced to by a mobo, so nothing changed.

#5464891 Posted on: 08/21/2017 10:54 PM

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well no 6c/12t for me till my next build then, in 4 years or more, by then we should 8c/16t running 4ghz all cores base and be priced @ 299 or lower hopeful, and hopefull games and programs finally start getting programed to used all cores available to it, not half assed sorta kinda aware

IF the z170 could use the 8700k I would bought it and sold my 6700k, but intel..

#5464896 Posted on: 08/21/2017 11:14 PM

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So how exactly does that make Intel the bad wolf and AMD the sheep?
It's like most of the thread is filled with zombies saying "must upgrade, must upgrade" while there systems are perfectly fine for what they do and an upgrade will yield minor improvement, so who is milking who again?