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Guru3D.com » News » Bloomberg: China broke into US companies by adding chip on server motherboards

Bloomberg: China broke into US companies by adding chip on server motherboards

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 10/04/2018 03:15 PM | source: bloomberg | 49 comment(s)
Bloomberg: China broke into US companies by adding chip on server motherboards

Likely the story of the day. Bloomberg posted an extensive article where they claim that the Chinese government tried to infiltrate into US companies by adding chips on server motherboards. 

First, off this, the companies involved and the Chinese government is denying the story, but it seems well investigated, and if true the implications would be enormous as server/mobo provider SuperMicro is involved. And adding a chip into a PCB, is not something you do without corporation of the server motherboard manufacturer. 

So the story is that basically some core logic was added onto the motherboards, chips the sized as a single grain of rice that had it's own IO, a networking interface and even a micro CPU. The discovery was made at Amazon who researched Elemental Technologies, a maker of software for servers that the American company Super Micro Computer, or Supermicro, uses. During that investigation, Amazon stumbled on the extra chip on the motherboard. Initially sized slightly smaller than a fingernail and later on an even smaller version. This chip would be able to contact servers over the web and receive instructions, and it's claimed it would be able to modify the server software, a backdoor. 

The stories get weird here; Apple and Amazon are denying any existence of the chip. "Apple has never found malicious chips, hardware manipulations or vulnerabilities that have been deliberately placed on a server, Apple has never had contact with the FBI or any other service about such an incident," Apple says it has 2000 servers from Supermicro, but denies that it has found the chips. Amazon says in its denial that it found four problems with the purchase of Elemental, a takeover that took place in 2015. None of those were in the hardware.

Have a read here, at bloomberg.







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Fox2232
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#5592643 Posted on: 10/05/2018 01:07 PM
So all of you are just going to keep ignoring statements from retailers and users that said that they looked and found no such chips? Okay. Have fun.

edit: when I say "all" I mean most of you.
What people believe in or not is just part of it. Possibilities and goals are more important. Consequences are what matters. Did it touch us, did we feel its influence till now? No. But consequence of such reveal may.

Presuming that it is True and Chinese government + their army planted those chips => part of affected companies are US military contractors => Cyber-attack classified as Act of War

Presuming that it is False and Bloomberg throws false accusations here:
- Such serious accusation still requires governmental investigation => possibly diverting attention from other real problem

What applies in both T+F cases?
- Supermicro stock crashes => someone made a lot of money with that article
- chance for panic, increased tension between US and China

Each list can be pretty long. Maybe someone just throws mud on the wall and checks what is gonna stick.

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#5592704 Posted on: 10/05/2018 04:09 PM
if they wanted to spy on everybody they should just get windows and for every one else just buy them a cell phone

KissSh0t
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#5592867 Posted on: 10/05/2018 10:41 PM
I found this to be quite interesting.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfactor/computing/hardware/this-tech-would-have-spotted-the-secret-chinese-chip-in-seconds

RealNC
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#5593153 Posted on: 10/06/2018 05:51 PM
As if the US government didn't break into Chinese servers through Intel motherboards... We already know for a fact Intel hardware comes with backdoors.

This always goes both ways. Why are people surprised when this makes the news? It's not surprising. It's 100% expected. Espionage has existed since the dawn of time. Are there people out there who think it doesn't exist?

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