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Battle Royale Inbetween Apple and EPIC - to terminate dev accounts that affects the Unreal Engine
Apple threatens to remove EPIC from the developer program. Earlier on w reported that Apple single sidely removed Fornite from the Apply Store distribution platform.
Apple is now terminating inclusion in the Apple Developer Program, a membership that is required to distribute applications on iOS devices or use Apple development tools, if the company does not comply to their agreement within two weeks, according to a letter from Apple that was shared by Epic. Epic will also not be able to approve Mac applications, a process that could make it difficult to install Epic software or block it entirely. Apple requires that all applications be approved before they can run on newer versions of macOS, even if they are distributed outside of the App Store.
Fortnite was pulled from the App Store (and Google Play Store) last week. Epic Games added a new option that allows players outside of Apple to purchase in-game digital extras. In doing so, the company violated the rules of the App Store.
Epic has filed a preliminary injunction against Apple, asking the court to stop the company from doing this. Epic says there will be "irreparably damaged long before the final judgment" if it doesn't get the court order. "Apple's actions will irreparably damage Epic's reputation among Fortnite users and will be catastrophic for the future of the independent Unreal Engine business," Epic writes.
Apple said it would like to keep Epic as part of the Apple Developer Program and that Epic could easily fix the problem it created for itself by bringing Fortnite back into line with the terms. "We are not making an exception for Epic because we don't think it is right to prioritize their business purposes over the guidelines that protect our customers."
Epic now further cites that Apple CEO Tim Cook declared to the US Congress two weeks ago that Apple does not retaliate against developers who express their frustration with the App Store. "Apple is now doing just that," said Epic.
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#5819117 Posted on: 08/18/2020 10:31 AM
I'm with @fantaskarsef and @cryohellinc on this one. While I'm no fan of Apple and their overpriced hipster products, this is ultimately about Epic wanting more money (read "all") for Fortnite on Apple's mobile platform. If they don't like the EULA that they've had to agree to, then they should pull out, plain and simple.
If I own an operating system, I create the rules for how it's used. I don't like how IOS is closed off, but that's why I don't use it at all. I don't think that I have the right to drag the owner of said system to court because I believe they're restricting my creativity. Unless I'm missing something in this Fortnite war, this just smells to me like another attempt by Sweeney to pose like some sort of saviour of the industry, all the while simply securing himself more cash from his cash cow.
I'm with @fantaskarsef and @cryohellinc on this one. While I'm no fan of Apple and their overpriced hipster products, this is ultimately about Epic wanting more money (read "all") for Fortnite on Apple's mobile platform. If they don't like the EULA that they've had to agree to, then they should pull out, plain and simple.
If I own an operating system, I create the rules for how it's used. I don't like how IOS is closed off, but that's why I don't use it at all. I don't think that I have the right to drag the owner of said system to court because I believe they're restricting my creativity. Unless I'm missing something in this Fortnite war, this just smells to me like another attempt by Sweeney to pose like some sort of saviour of the industry, all the while simply securing himself more cash from his cash cow.
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#5819124 Posted on: 08/18/2020 10:41 AM
It is definitely that both companies want just more money for themselves. But It's really not that clear, because I can very easily see the lawsuit going both ways. E.g. US courts do almost exclusively side with the contract, even if it was one sided and even if there was no way to negotiate it (e.g. EULA). On the other hand Apple is a monopoly and they are trying to regulate sales that do not happen on their platform, which is an abuse of their dominate position.
Either way, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens in the near future. Especially since Apple stands to lose far more than Epic.
I'm with @fantaskarsef and @cryohellinc on this one. While I'm no fan of Apple and their overpriced hipster products, this is ultimately about Epic wanting more money (read "all") for Fortnite on Apple's mobile platform. If they don't like the EULA that they've had to agree to, then they should pull out, plain and simple.
It is definitely that both companies want just more money for themselves. But It's really not that clear, because I can very easily see the lawsuit going both ways. E.g. US courts do almost exclusively side with the contract, even if it was one sided and even if there was no way to negotiate it (e.g. EULA). On the other hand Apple is a monopoly and they are trying to regulate sales that do not happen on their platform, which is an abuse of their dominate position.
Either way, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens in the near future. Especially since Apple stands to lose far more than Epic.
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#5819128 Posted on: 08/18/2020 10:46 AM
It is definitely that both companies want just more money for themselves. But It's really not that clear, because I can very easily see the lawsuit going both ways. E.g. US courts do almost exclusively side with the contract, even if it was one sided and even if there was no way to negotiate it (e.g. EULA). On the other hand Apple is a monopoly and they are trying to regulate sales that do not happen on their platform, which is an abuse of their dominate position.
Either way, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens in the near future. Especially since Apple stands to lose far more than Epic.
One could also argue that EPIC pulled the Fortnite currency shtick to weasel themselves around what they agreed to in the EULA (so, percentage for Apple) and have willingly breached that way (which, let's face it, is what was the intention).
It is definitely that both companies want just more money for themselves. But It's really not that clear, because I can very easily see the lawsuit going both ways. E.g. US courts do almost exclusively side with the contract, even if it was one sided and even if there was no way to negotiate it (e.g. EULA). On the other hand Apple is a monopoly and they are trying to regulate sales that do not happen on their platform, which is an abuse of their dominate position.
Either way, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens in the near future. Especially since Apple stands to lose far more than Epic.
One could also argue that EPIC pulled the Fortnite currency shtick to weasel themselves around what they agreed to in the EULA (so, percentage for Apple) and have willingly breached that way (which, let's face it, is what was the intention).
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#5819130 Posted on: 08/18/2020 10:48 AM
It's only going to get worse as apple unify their ecosystem into one.
This situation with Epic will likely become more common, but Epic is the loudest so far.
No matter his motivations, I hope he wins. Apples closed ecosystem is impeding developers and users alike, and is a monopoly in its own right. Setting a clear precedent for this sort of system requiring to be fair would go a long way.
It's only going to get worse as apple unify their ecosystem into one.
This situation with Epic will likely become more common, but Epic is the loudest so far.
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""We are not making an exception for Epic because we don't think it is right to prioritize their business purposes over the guidelines that protect our customers."
How is taking 30% protecting their customers? Protecting Apple's profits that resting in an account in Dublin ....