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Autopilot disabled on the Tesla Model 3 in Europe
Tesla started delivering the Model 3 electric cars to customers in Europe. However, the driver assistance package Autopilot is disabled, even if customers have paid for the additional 5,200 euros. The reason, Tesla has not received approval.
A few Tesla customers in Europe have already received their Model 3 electric car, but the Autopilot assistance system is currently shut down. According to a Los Angeles Times report, drivers can not use the function because Tesla is waiting for approval from the Dutch regulatory authorities. Telsa announced in January 2019 that it had received type approval for the Model 3. This means that the vehicle has been cleared for sale throughout the European Union. The autopilot obviously does not belong to it. The assistance system is also sold as an option in Model S and Model X in Europe and is apparently approved there. Tesla told hopes to get approval soon, and with a bit of luck can activate autopilot in Europe starting next week.
In the EU the Model 3 is available as a two-wheel drive versions with and without a performance package. The purchase price is 40,000 euros. The version with long-distance battery costs 55,400 euros, the performance model 66,100 euros. There are also extras like a color other than black for the body (1,600 to 2,600 euros) or the interior (1,050 euros), other wheels (1,600 euros) or said autopilot for 5,200 euros.
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#5638428 Posted on: 02/12/2019 05:49 AM
Traffic in most of the US is not like that.
I was of course talking specifically about the part parts where traffic isn't like that. Like, Nantucket.
It's like saying bad driving and accidents happen only when and where they happen, but not everywhere.
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Traffic in most of the US is not like that.
I was of course talking specifically about the part parts where traffic isn't like that. Like, Nantucket.
It's like saying bad driving and accidents happen only when and where they happen, but not everywhere.
Thanks.
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#5638491 Posted on: 02/12/2019 12:20 PM
In the US, people can't even keep focus on driving when they have control of the vehicle....
Lane keep assist, hazard detection, and similar systems improve safety. Under normal conditions, they prevent the driver from killing others on the road while playing candy crush, texting, etc on their smartphones while driving.
So give them a system that justifies and lets them get away with not paying attention. I've said this for a while automate a system and tell a person that it is automatic and watch as they suddenly loose the ability to use it through their own stupidity. Auto lights are a great example, morons driving in heavy rain because they are under the impression that the car just turns the lights on itself or worse still in fog where they have no clue how to turn the fogs on because they have had the car for two years and it 'just turns the lights on by itself'.
Automatic safety systems should be passive and only step in when the driver makes a mistake, the way systems such as ABS and ESP work or we could go down the route the scholar Clarkson suggested a few years ago, cars should be fitted with an explosive that blows the car up if the driver so much as steps out of line. Wonder how quickly people would make driving their number one focus priority rather than 3rd or 4th behind talking, drinking / eating and playing on their mobiles?
In the US, people can't even keep focus on driving when they have control of the vehicle....
Lane keep assist, hazard detection, and similar systems improve safety. Under normal conditions, they prevent the driver from killing others on the road while playing candy crush, texting, etc on their smartphones while driving.
So give them a system that justifies and lets them get away with not paying attention. I've said this for a while automate a system and tell a person that it is automatic and watch as they suddenly loose the ability to use it through their own stupidity. Auto lights are a great example, morons driving in heavy rain because they are under the impression that the car just turns the lights on itself or worse still in fog where they have no clue how to turn the fogs on because they have had the car for two years and it 'just turns the lights on by itself'.
Automatic safety systems should be passive and only step in when the driver makes a mistake, the way systems such as ABS and ESP work or we could go down the route the scholar Clarkson suggested a few years ago, cars should be fitted with an explosive that blows the car up if the driver so much as steps out of line. Wonder how quickly people would make driving their number one focus priority rather than 3rd or 4th behind talking, drinking / eating and playing on their mobiles?
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#5638795 Posted on: 02/13/2019 03:20 AM
Well, my car automatically turns on the headlights whenever the wipers turn on....if the headlight switch is set to "auto". I drive with my headlights on at all times anyway, so I just have 2 methods for turning my headlights on at night or in the rain.... It's my belief that headlamps should default to on if the engine is running....period. Cars with "daytime running lights" irritate me because vehicle owners are generally too stupid to figure out that they need to turn the headlights on at night. I understand the premise, but the "daytime running lights" feature is a safety hazard when the vehicle is operated by an incompetent driver.
Personally, I'd like to see a feature where if the driver starts using their smartphone, they immediately get hit with 120V@10A... I bet it would stop people from texting and driving...or browsing the web while driving...if they knew doing so would kill them. And yes, I've seen people doing both.
It seems the more "safety features" we give drivers, the more dangerous they become to everyone else on the road. So, features that would enforce good driving habits would be preferable to a system that simply does everything on it's own, seeing as how automated systems can cause other issues when they fail.
So give them a system that justifies and lets them get away with not paying attention. I've said this for a while automate a system and tell a person that it is automatic and watch as they suddenly loose the ability to use it through their own stupidity. Auto lights are a great example, morons driving in heavy rain because they are under the impression that the car just turns the lights on itself or worse still in fog where they have no clue how to turn the fogs on because they have had the car for two years and it 'just turns the lights on by itself'.
Well, my car automatically turns on the headlights whenever the wipers turn on....if the headlight switch is set to "auto". I drive with my headlights on at all times anyway, so I just have 2 methods for turning my headlights on at night or in the rain.... It's my belief that headlamps should default to on if the engine is running....period. Cars with "daytime running lights" irritate me because vehicle owners are generally too stupid to figure out that they need to turn the headlights on at night. I understand the premise, but the "daytime running lights" feature is a safety hazard when the vehicle is operated by an incompetent driver.
Personally, I'd like to see a feature where if the driver starts using their smartphone, they immediately get hit with 120V@10A... I bet it would stop people from texting and driving...or browsing the web while driving...if they knew doing so would kill them. And yes, I've seen people doing both.
It seems the more "safety features" we give drivers, the more dangerous they become to everyone else on the road. So, features that would enforce good driving habits would be preferable to a system that simply does everything on it's own, seeing as how automated systems can cause other issues when they fail.
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That doesn't work. A human can only stay focused only if they are in control (i.e. driving). If the computer is driving then most human's just can't pay close attention for any amount of time. Hence if the computer goes wrong the car will crash before the human takes over. You can do it the other way around - human drives, computer can take over in an emergency, which is what a number of cars have had for years (e.g. Volvo famously has a record of zero pedestrian deaths in the XC90 since 2002 due to it's hazard detection technology).
Imo - the problem is tesla called it auto pilot which suggests (to most people other then airline pilots) it's going to drive you. In fact it's just a glorified hazard detection/lane assist such as is available in a number of makes of car. It is a long way from being a true autonomous vehicle. If they had just called it super lane assist or something then it would have been fine in Europe.
In the US, people can't even keep focus on driving when they have control of the vehicle....
Lane keep assist, hazard detection, and similar systems improve safety. Under normal conditions, they prevent the driver from killing others on the road while playing candy crush, texting, etc on their smartphones while driving.
I am no expert, all I know, in Europe (EU), even for testing (authorized) driver must keep hands on steering wheel at all times. Watched the Audi A8 2019 review, dude said it has everything, but disabled bcs EU law.
Keeping hands on steering wheel defies the purpose of autonomous driving.
It's all about safety....
Especially in USA traffic jams where you should be able to just sit back, relax and let the AI move 2m by 2m in straight line for hours...
Traffic in most of the US is not like that.