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An autonomous van on the streets of Las Vegas collided with a truck within an hour of introduction. The van was supposed to drive through downtown Las Vegas and can hold eight people.
The damage was limited and no one was injured, reports the local news channel KSNV. According to a passenger, the bus stopped when a truck began to drive backward. The software does not seem to be clever enough to drive back a bit but froze until the back of the truck hit the bumper of the van.
According to a spokesman for the Las Vegas municipality, "the shuttle did what he had to do": halt when at risk. "If the truck had the same sensors as the shuttle, the accident would not have occurred."
The test with will continue next year.
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#5490900 Posted on: 11/09/2017 09:47 PM
Quoting for prosperity.
OT: It doesn't have to perfect, it just has to be better than us, and in this instance; it was.
autonomous driving will fail hard just like VR.
Quoting for prosperity.
OT: It doesn't have to perfect, it just has to be better than us, and in this instance; it was.
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#5490905 Posted on: 11/09/2017 09:55 PM
You do have a point. But lack of human eyes is not the problem. The problem began with the human driver doing something stupid. Could have ended with the truck simply stoping. I guess the bus could have moved backwards (if there was room, we lack that info) but just standing there is not as bad as moving truck hitting someone in reverse. My conclusion (everyone is free to disagree) is that AI has less problem than the human drivers. That's why google pulled out their AI cars years ago. They were just not able to adapt to stupid mistakes some humans made. It is the AI that needs to learn more before it's ready to join the roads and share them with humans. Unless you put an AI into 100 ton truck and then watch humans trying to do stupid things...oh wait, there already are train-trucks that humans stay the hell away from.
you shouldn't check both sides of the road when you walk through a pedestrian crossing, because if someone hits you and kills you, it's fine, because it's not your fault. Perfect.
if all drivers were AI, you wouldn't have to. But more to the point, driver that kills me goes to jail because it his fault too. But me being dead can't care about me being dead. 
You do have a point. But lack of human eyes is not the problem. The problem began with the human driver doing something stupid. Could have ended with the truck simply stoping. I guess the bus could have moved backwards (if there was room, we lack that info) but just standing there is not as bad as moving truck hitting someone in reverse. My conclusion (everyone is free to disagree) is that AI has less problem than the human drivers. That's why google pulled out their AI cars years ago. They were just not able to adapt to stupid mistakes some humans made. It is the AI that needs to learn more before it's ready to join the roads and share them with humans. Unless you put an AI into 100 ton truck and then watch humans trying to do stupid things...oh wait, there already are train-trucks that humans stay the hell away from.
you shouldn't check both sides of the road when you walk through a pedestrian crossing, because if someone hits you and kills you, it's fine, because it's not your fault. Perfect.
if all drivers were AI, you wouldn't have to. But more to the point, driver that kills me goes to jail because it his fault too.
But me being dead can't care about me being dead.
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#5490910 Posted on: 11/09/2017 10:07 PM
Since you can't prevent humans from doing stupid things (because they're human,) you need to stop viewing it as a problem. It's normal. If an autonomous car can't deal with normal, it shouldn't be allowed on the road.
People are going to reverse when they shouldn't. They are going to overtake when they shouldn't. Take U-turns they shouldn't. If the autonomous car's answer to this is "stop moving, cover my ears and shout LALALALALA" then please don't put that thing on the road.
You do have a point. But lack of human eyes is not the problem. The problem began with the human driver doing something stupid.
Since you can't prevent humans from doing stupid things (because they're human,) you need to stop viewing it as a problem. It's normal. If an autonomous car can't deal with normal, it shouldn't be allowed on the road.
People are going to reverse when they shouldn't. They are going to overtake when they shouldn't. Take U-turns they shouldn't. If the autonomous car's answer to this is "stop moving, cover my ears and shout LALALALALA" then please don't put that thing on the road.
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#5490971 Posted on: 11/10/2017 06:32 AM
nope. you just need to train ppl properly when they get a license.
there is a reaason why it cost about 2K to get one in europe, and 30$ in the US.
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
nope. you just need to train ppl properly when they get a license.
there is a reaason why it cost about 2K to get one in europe, and 30$ in the US.
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
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#5491009 Posted on: 11/10/2017 10:03 AM
nope. you just need to train ppl properly when they get a license.
there is a reaason why it cost about 2K to get one in europe, and 30$ in the US.
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
Do you think it is logical that if you pay 2000 for your licence where you are from that it is also how much they pay in the rest 27 countries? That an eastern European must pay 10 months worth of salary for a single driving licence? Does it seem logical to you?
nope. you just need to train ppl properly when they get a license.
there is a reaason why it cost about 2K to get one in europe, and 30$ in the US.
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
Do you think it is logical that if you pay 2000 for your licence where you are from that it is also how much they pay in the rest 27 countries? That an eastern European must pay 10 months worth of salary for a single driving licence? Does it seem logical to you?
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#5491030 Posted on: 11/10/2017 11:42 AM
I find it slightly odd that so many here assume it was the professional human driver that initiated the stupid that caused this accident...
It could just as easily been that the truck was already reversing and as the driver swapped mirror to check, then out of view the stupid autonomous vehicle drove up close behind the truck where the driver could not see it by the time he swapped mirrors again.
The kind of mistake no human driver would have made or put themselves in , behind a clearly reversing truck. Yet this dumb bot did and then it's best reaction is to "park" itself in the danger zone lol
It's programmers/project managers should clearly be held responsible releasing an autonomous vehicle that would be incapable of handling a situation as simple as avoiding the vehicle in front reversing slowly in traffic to, for eg, make room for an emergency vehicle to pass.
Something people manage every day successfully around a big city.
This kind of error should have been caught and dealt with early in an early alpha build in a sim or on a test track, not on a public road
EDIT:
I mean honestly, vehicles cannot pass their safety test without a working horn, does this autonomous one not have one or know how to use one?
This is one of the most basic skills all human drivers know how to use for safety, who allowed this damn thing on the roads lol
I find it slightly odd that so many here assume it was the professional human driver that initiated the stupid that caused this accident...
It could just as easily been that the truck was already reversing and as the driver swapped mirror to check, then out of view the stupid autonomous vehicle drove up close behind the truck where the driver could not see it by the time he swapped mirrors again.
The kind of mistake no human driver would have made or put themselves in , behind a clearly reversing truck. Yet this dumb bot did and then it's best reaction is to "park" itself in the danger zone lol
It's programmers/project managers should clearly be held responsible releasing an autonomous vehicle that would be incapable of handling a situation as simple as avoiding the vehicle in front reversing slowly in traffic to, for eg, make room for an emergency vehicle to pass.
Something people manage every day successfully around a big city.
This kind of error should have been caught and dealt with early in an early alpha build in a sim or on a test track, not on a public road
EDIT:
I mean honestly, vehicles cannot pass their safety test without a working horn, does this autonomous one not have one or know how to use one?
This is one of the most basic skills all human drivers know how to use for safety, who allowed this damn thing on the roads lol
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#5491052 Posted on: 11/10/2017 01:41 PM
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
nope. you just need to train ppl properly when they get a license.
there is a reaason why it cost about 2K to get one in europe, and 30$ in the US.
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
nope. you just need to train ppl properly when they get a license.
there is a reaason why it cost about 2K to get one in europe, and 30$ in the US.
most ppl in the US dont know how to drive a car. they are just allowed to steer one.
e.g., where are all those reports about self driving cars/trucks/semis getting in accidents outside the US, where ppl have to learn how to drive...
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#5491053 Posted on: 11/10/2017 01:43 PM
wrong.... y'all don't even drive on the right side of the road...
wrong.... y'all don't even drive on the right side of the road...
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#5491249 Posted on: 11/10/2017 11:25 PM
In 8-10 years, half the trips taken will be in autonomous vehicles. In 20-30 years, we may not see any more cars you can drive, possibly not even the exotics. I can absolutely see driving on streets being outlawed (in Western civilization) around that time. Humans suck at driving. The computers are better. Traffic fatalities will finally fall to nearly zero (if not "0").
May as well start getting on board. It's coming.
In 8-10 years, half the trips taken will be in autonomous vehicles. In 20-30 years, we may not see any more cars you can drive, possibly not even the exotics. I can absolutely see driving on streets being outlawed (in Western civilization) around that time. Humans suck at driving. The computers are better. Traffic fatalities will finally fall to nearly zero (if not "0").
May as well start getting on board. It's coming.
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#5491293 Posted on: 11/11/2017 06:17 AM
@anthos
pls read my post again.
where do i say HAVE to? where do i say EVERY country in europe?
my point was the difference between america (30$) and most european countries where you actually have to go to school for half a year and drive
at least 20-30hrs with a trainer (not just the parents) incl nights and highway driving.
when i see pll in front of me making a right turn stop at an intersection where the straight lane has a green light,
and turn to the left to see if another car is coming, tells me there is a big difference.
@anthos
pls read my post again.
where do i say HAVE to? where do i say EVERY country in europe?
my point was the difference between america (30$) and most european countries where you actually have to go to school for half a year and drive
at least 20-30hrs with a trainer (not just the parents) incl nights and highway driving.
when i see pll in front of me making a right turn stop at an intersection where the straight lane has a green light,
and turn to the left to see if another car is coming, tells me there is a big difference.
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#5491450 Posted on: 11/11/2017 10:24 PM
Was it a female AI? I know i know, i keed!
Was it a female AI? I know i know, i keed!
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#5491465 Posted on: 11/11/2017 11:43 PM
Reading this thread makes me wonder the level of intelligence on this forum.
First of all. Claiming that having a human behind the wheel increases safety is laughable. Humans are directly responsible for a vast majority of the accidents that happen every day. The reason manufacturers keep being required to add more and more "safety features" is because human drivers are becoming more and more dangerous. The problem here is the fact that as more "safety features" are added to vehicles, the human drivers become increasingly dangerous, forcing manufacturers to add more "safety features" to counter-act the stupidity of the average driver. There is a limit to how safe a vehicle can be made, when the number 1 failure in operation is in fact, the driver.
The cost to obtain a license has no bearing on how well someone will actually drive. Consider the fact that people buy $50k - $500k sports cars and still manage to be stupid enough to cause accidents with them. Even the cost of a vehicle isn't enough to deter the kind of stupidity that happens on a daily basis....
It could just as easily been that the truck was already reversing and as the driver swapped mirror to check, then out of view the stupid autonomous vehicle drove up close behind the truck where the driver could not see it by the time he swapped mirrors again.
The kind of mistake no human driver would have made or put themselves in , behind a clearly reversing truck. Yet this dumb bot did and then it's best reaction is to "park" itself in the danger zone lol
It's programmers/project managers should clearly be held responsible releasing an autonomous vehicle that would be incapable of handling a situation as simple as avoiding the vehicle in front reversing slowly in traffic to, for eg, make room for an emergency vehicle to pass.
Something people manage every day successfully around a big city.
This kind of error should have been caught and dealt with early in an early alpha build in a sim or on a test track, not on a public road
EDIT:
I mean honestly, vehicles cannot pass their safety test without a working horn, does this autonomous one not have one or know how to use one?
This is one of the most basic skills all human drivers know how to use for safety, who allowed this damn thing on the roads lol
What could have happened and what did happen are 2 completely different things. In this case, the truck began backing up while the bus was behind it. Something a responsible human being would never do.
The fact that so many accidents occur that are actually avoidable, proves that people don't manage to handle most situations successfully.....
Also, to state that it was "The kind of mistake no human driver would have made or put themselves in" is laughable since humans make that exact mistake on a daily basis....
Also, given the fact that the human driver in the truck managed to miss a bus behind him, who's to say that had the bus not been there, that same idiot truck driver could have possibly run over a human person? Happens on a regular basis.....
Reading this thread makes me wonder the level of intelligence on this forum.
First of all. Claiming that having a human behind the wheel increases safety is laughable. Humans are directly responsible for a vast majority of the accidents that happen every day. The reason manufacturers keep being required to add more and more "safety features" is because human drivers are becoming more and more dangerous. The problem here is the fact that as more "safety features" are added to vehicles, the human drivers become increasingly dangerous, forcing manufacturers to add more "safety features" to counter-act the stupidity of the average driver. There is a limit to how safe a vehicle can be made, when the number 1 failure in operation is in fact, the driver.
The cost to obtain a license has no bearing on how well someone will actually drive. Consider the fact that people buy $50k - $500k sports cars and still manage to be stupid enough to cause accidents with them. Even the cost of a vehicle isn't enough to deter the kind of stupidity that happens on a daily basis....
It could just as easily been that the truck was already reversing and as the driver swapped mirror to check, then out of view the stupid autonomous vehicle drove up close behind the truck where the driver could not see it by the time he swapped mirrors again.
The kind of mistake no human driver would have made or put themselves in , behind a clearly reversing truck. Yet this dumb bot did and then it's best reaction is to "park" itself in the danger zone lol
It's programmers/project managers should clearly be held responsible releasing an autonomous vehicle that would be incapable of handling a situation as simple as avoiding the vehicle in front reversing slowly in traffic to, for eg, make room for an emergency vehicle to pass.
Something people manage every day successfully around a big city.
This kind of error should have been caught and dealt with early in an early alpha build in a sim or on a test track, not on a public road
EDIT:
I mean honestly, vehicles cannot pass their safety test without a working horn, does this autonomous one not have one or know how to use one?
This is one of the most basic skills all human drivers know how to use for safety, who allowed this damn thing on the roads lol
What could have happened and what did happen are 2 completely different things. In this case, the truck began backing up while the bus was behind it. Something a responsible human being would never do.
The fact that so many accidents occur that are actually avoidable, proves that people don't manage to handle most situations successfully.....
Also, to state that it was "The kind of mistake no human driver would have made or put themselves in" is laughable since humans make that exact mistake on a daily basis....
Also, given the fact that the human driver in the truck managed to miss a bus behind him, who's to say that had the bus not been there, that same idiot truck driver could have possibly run over a human person? Happens on a regular basis.....
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#5491532 Posted on: 11/12/2017 04:36 AM
@sykozis
so you want to tell me that there is no connection between the fact that people in the USA pay about 30$, drive around in the parking lot for their "test" to get their license,
when someone in germany, for example, has to take theoretical classes for a minimum of 18hrs, needs to drive at least 20hrs, and a min 12 times outside town/city meaning on freeway (min 5 times), highway (min 4 times) and at night (min 3 times), and has to complete theoretical and driving tests (and thats in "real" everyday traffic) and a 2 day/weekend course of first-aid training? right.
i have both, a german AND a US "license", so i do know a bit of what im talking about.
not even comparing the difference in recommended/limits for speed. if you drive below the recommended speed of 80mph on a highway in germany (unless speed is restricted in any form), cops will pull you over.
one reason im getting tired after driving for more than 2hrs on hwys in the US
@sykozis
so you want to tell me that there is no connection between the fact that people in the USA pay about 30$, drive around in the parking lot for their "test" to get their license,
when someone in germany, for example, has to take theoretical classes for a minimum of 18hrs, needs to drive at least 20hrs, and a min 12 times outside town/city meaning on freeway (min 5 times), highway (min 4 times) and at night (min 3 times), and has to complete theoretical and driving tests (and thats in "real" everyday traffic) and a 2 day/weekend course of first-aid training? right.
i have both, a german AND a US "license", so i do know a bit of what im talking about.
not even comparing the difference in recommended/limits for speed. if you drive below the recommended speed of 80mph on a highway in germany (unless speed is restricted in any form), cops will pull you over.
one reason im getting tired after driving for more than 2hrs on hwys in the US
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#5491536 Posted on: 11/12/2017 05:42 AM
I am rather surprised that this is even being debated.
Someone backed into a stationary vehicle, and the stationary vehicle is being blamed.
what the hell are you people blaming the autonomous vehicle for?
I think this is the next level of 'racism' or more like specism (Spellling???). Blame the machine,not the human for not compensating for the human error.
I am rather surprised that this is even being debated.
Someone backed into a stationary vehicle, and the stationary vehicle is being blamed.
what the hell are you people blaming the autonomous vehicle for?
I think this is the next level of 'racism' or more like specism (Spellling???). Blame the machine,not the human for not compensating for the human error.
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The bus did something wrong. It was unable to adapt to a mistake made by someone else.
With that thinking, you shouldn't check both sides of the road when you walk through a pedestrian crossing, because if someone hits you and kills you, it's fine, because it's not your fault. Perfect.
Eh... no. You need to be able to adapt to the mistakes of others.