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AU Optronics Significantly Increases production of high-end panels, also 8K
A huge Display panel maker which panels end up in many HDTVs and Monitors is AU Optronics, and they are increasing its production of high-end panels significantly to maintain its sales momentum and profits, according to company sources., these include ultra-large screens, 4k panels, gaming panels and ltps notebook panels.
The company's shipments of ultra-large panels, including 75- and 85-inch models, hit a record high in the first quarter of 2018 and also tripled from the same period of a year earlier, sources from Digitimes noted:
Anticipating the penetration rate of 4K TVs will likely increase to 40% in 2018 from 30% a year earlier, AUO expects the shipment ratio of 4K panels to its total TV panel shipments to further expand by year-end 2018, up from 50% in the first quarter.
AUO will also begin to ship 8K TV panels in the first half of 2018. AUO will also maintain its top-ranking position in the global gaming panel market in 2018 leveraging its leading technology in the development of 240Hz, 4K and 65-inch gaming panels. The company's gaming panel clients include Acer, Asustek Computer, BenQ, ViewSonic, AOC and Philips, the sources said. Having seen its shipments of LTPS notebook panels in the first quarter of 2018 already surpass those shipped totally a year earlier, sales of LTPS notebook panels should expand exponentially in the year, the sources asserted.
AUO will also begin to ship LTPS panels for production of in-car rearview mirrors in the first half of 2018 with aims to further expand the related technology to other automotive-use panels.
AU Optronics this year will start delivery of 8k panels - 02/23/2018 08:23 AM
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#5544626 Posted on: 05/08/2018 01:22 AM
You're describing issues with LCD panels in general, not AUO themselves.
You're describing issues with LCD panels in general, not AUO themselves.
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#5544636 Posted on: 05/08/2018 02:53 AM
Backlight bleed is something that you wish you didn't see. Most people don't TRY to see it and have less problems with it.
I've been gaming with cheap Crossover 2795 for years now, still didn't try to find backlight bleed, neither did it catch my attention.
It's like trying to see if your food contains any dust or impurities and stop eating it.
Eventually end up starving to death, since any food contains some amount of dust or impurities.
(Totally irrelevant comparison, but I go with it
)
Backlight bleed is something that you wish you didn't see. Most people don't TRY to see it and have less problems with it.
I've been gaming with cheap Crossover 2795 for years now, still didn't try to find backlight bleed, neither did it catch my attention.
It's like trying to see if your food contains any dust or impurities and stop eating it.
Eventually end up starving to death, since any food contains some amount of dust or impurities.
(Totally irrelevant comparison, but I go with it
)
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#5544646 Posted on: 05/08/2018 03:41 AM
AUO doing what ram manufacturers should be doing - Higher demand so we'll increase production instead of higher demand so we'll increase the price
AUO doing what ram manufacturers should be doing - Higher demand so we'll increase production instead of higher demand so we'll increase the price
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#5544671 Posted on: 05/08/2018 06:48 AM
Backlight bleed is something that you wish you didn't see. Most people don't TRY to see it and have less problems with it.
I've been gaming with cheap Crossover 2795 for years now, still didn't try to find backlight bleed, neither did it catch my attention.
Using the same model. Mine 'only' does 96~100hz before going to shit, though.
When I removed the stand for the VESA mount I'm using I actually made BLB worse than it originally was, since I had to open up the bezel in order to fully remove the stand. The cheap koreans aren't too friendly when it comes to stand removal and stand quality overall. That said, I only notice the BLB when the screen is black, which seldom happens. Usually only during loading screens. During movies or actual gameplay I don't notice it at all. Then again, it's not the most atrocious of BLB I've ever seen to begin with
The real hilarious thing however, rather than what @Denial brought up, is that the current domestic offers and their QA isn't much, if any better than our koreans.The koreans only cost around a third to a half of domestic offers, though
Granted, most panels back then came without adaptive sync but I'm mostly running the frame cap anyway and even if I lock at 60 FPS I don't run into massive tearing.
Generally speaking it's been the best purchase I've made in years overall. I sorta hope for cheap koreans once 4K becomes more mainstream but I think their glory times are over.
Backlight bleed is something that you wish you didn't see. Most people don't TRY to see it and have less problems with it.
I've been gaming with cheap Crossover 2795 for years now, still didn't try to find backlight bleed, neither did it catch my attention.
Using the same model. Mine 'only' does 96~100hz before going to shit, though.
When I removed the stand for the VESA mount I'm using I actually made BLB worse than it originally was, since I had to open up the bezel in order to fully remove the stand. The cheap koreans aren't too friendly when it comes to stand removal and stand quality overall. That said, I only notice the BLB when the screen is black, which seldom happens. Usually only during loading screens. During movies or actual gameplay I don't notice it at all. Then again, it's not the most atrocious of BLB I've ever seen to begin with
The real hilarious thing however, rather than what @Denial brought up, is that the current domestic offers and their QA isn't much, if any better than our koreans.The koreans only cost around a third to a half of domestic offers, though
Granted, most panels back then came without adaptive sync but I'm mostly running the frame cap anyway and even if I lock at 60 FPS I don't run into massive tearing.
Generally speaking it's been the best purchase I've made in years overall. I sorta hope for cheap koreans once 4K becomes more mainstream but I think their glory times are over.
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#5544732 Posted on: 05/08/2018 11:04 AM
Backlight bleed is something that you wish you didn't see. Most people don't TRY to see it and have less problems with it.
I've been gaming with cheap Crossover 2795 for years now, still didn't try to find backlight bleed, neither did it catch my attention.
It's like trying to see if your food contains any dust or impurities and stop eating it.
Eventually end up starving to death, since any food contains some amount of dust or impurities.
(Totally irrelevant comparison, but I go with it)
This is silly. If you play games in any environment other that a room full of flood-lights, backlight bleed will rear its head. You don't have to "find" it. My guess is that you play games in a room with lights on full blast, and have also never witnessed anything with a contrast ratio better than 1000:1. Owning a plasma TV or an OLED (or even a VA television) will have you gagging at the awful black performance and uniformity of a typical IPS panel. You don't have to "look" for the awful washed-out blacks that stick out like a sore thumb in low APL situations.
Backlight bleed is something that you wish you didn't see. Most people don't TRY to see it and have less problems with it.
I've been gaming with cheap Crossover 2795 for years now, still didn't try to find backlight bleed, neither did it catch my attention.
It's like trying to see if your food contains any dust or impurities and stop eating it.
Eventually end up starving to death, since any food contains some amount of dust or impurities.
(Totally irrelevant comparison, but I go with it
)This is silly. If you play games in any environment other that a room full of flood-lights, backlight bleed will rear its head. You don't have to "find" it. My guess is that you play games in a room with lights on full blast, and have also never witnessed anything with a contrast ratio better than 1000:1. Owning a plasma TV or an OLED (or even a VA television) will have you gagging at the awful black performance and uniformity of a typical IPS panel. You don't have to "look" for the awful washed-out blacks that stick out like a sore thumb in low APL situations.
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#5544753 Posted on: 05/08/2018 12:23 PM
I'm describing issues with QA. I have an XB270HU right now that has minimal bleed, but I went through 2 of them prior to this one with significantly worse bleed. Obviously there is some kind of manufacturing issue that creates varying degrees of panel uniformity problems.. that's a AUO problem, not an LCD one. When I'm spending ~ $1000 on a monitor (when it launched) I don't want to be playing quality roulette.
Yep, OLED spoiled me. Between my various OLED phones and my LG C7, I hate non-uniform blacks and IPS glow, but at the same time I understand that OLED isn't quite suitable for a desktop monitor until they get the image retention problems taken care of. In the meantime though, these companies should be focusing on improving in the areas where LCD is worse than OLED, not putting out higher resolution panels.
You're describing issues with LCD panels in general, not AUO themselves.
I'm describing issues with QA. I have an XB270HU right now that has minimal bleed, but I went through 2 of them prior to this one with significantly worse bleed. Obviously there is some kind of manufacturing issue that creates varying degrees of panel uniformity problems.. that's a AUO problem, not an LCD one. When I'm spending ~ $1000 on a monitor (when it launched) I don't want to be playing quality roulette.
This is silly. If you play games in any environment other that a room full of flood-lights, backlight bleed will rear its head. You don't have to "find" it. My guess is that you play games in a room with lights on full blast, and have also never witnessed anything with a contrast ratio better than 1000:1. Owning a plasma TV or an OLED (or even a VA television) will have you gagging at the awful black performance and uniformity of a typical IPS panel. You don't have to "look" for the awful washed-out blacks that stick out like a sore thumb in low APL situations.
Yep, OLED spoiled me. Between my various OLED phones and my LG C7, I hate non-uniform blacks and IPS glow, but at the same time I understand that OLED isn't quite suitable for a desktop monitor until they get the image retention problems taken care of. In the meantime though, these companies should be focusing on improving in the areas where LCD is worse than OLED, not putting out higher resolution panels.
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#5544856 Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:41 PM
I'm describing issues with QA. I have an XB270HU right now that has minimal bleed, but I went through 2 of them prior to this one with significantly worse bleed. Obviously there is some kind of manufacturing issue that creates varying degrees of panel uniformity problems.. that's a AUO problem, not an LCD one. When I'm spending ~ $1000 on a monitor (when it launched) I don't want to be playing quality roulette.
Yep, OLED spoiled me. Between my various OLED phones and my LG C7, I hate non-uniform blacks and IPS glow, but at the same time I understand that OLED isn't quite suitable for a desktop monitor until they get the image retention problems taken care of. In the meantime though, these companies should be focusing on improving in the areas where LCD is worse than OLED, not putting out higher resolution panels.
Lcd is not bad but good ones are expensive, that new Samsung Q9FN is probably going to be best TV in 2018 though its really ezpensive like I said.
I'm describing issues with QA. I have an XB270HU right now that has minimal bleed, but I went through 2 of them prior to this one with significantly worse bleed. Obviously there is some kind of manufacturing issue that creates varying degrees of panel uniformity problems.. that's a AUO problem, not an LCD one. When I'm spending ~ $1000 on a monitor (when it launched) I don't want to be playing quality roulette.
Yep, OLED spoiled me. Between my various OLED phones and my LG C7, I hate non-uniform blacks and IPS glow, but at the same time I understand that OLED isn't quite suitable for a desktop monitor until they get the image retention problems taken care of. In the meantime though, these companies should be focusing on improving in the areas where LCD is worse than OLED, not putting out higher resolution panels.
Lcd is not bad but good ones are expensive, that new Samsung Q9FN is probably going to be best TV in 2018 though its really ezpensive like I said.
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#5545230 Posted on: 05/09/2018 05:50 PM
most TV now 4K .... PC display seems following the trend, then again high-resolution is kinda rivaling VR, both trying to get the trend
on other-side the content seems still catching up
worldwide bandwidth itself feel exhausted, it feel usage outpacing the network grow
the era of 8k is kinda to early
even those who buy 8K display wont using 8K content anytime soon ... probably wont in that TV-lifetime
and most likely only those people that have tons of money that buy the display just for "status"
most TV now 4K .... PC display seems following the trend, then again high-resolution is kinda rivaling VR, both trying to get the trend
on other-side the content seems still catching up
worldwide bandwidth itself feel exhausted, it feel usage outpacing the network grow
the era of 8k is kinda to early
even those who buy 8K display wont using 8K content anytime soon ... probably wont in that TV-lifetime
and most likely only those people that have tons of money that buy the display just for "status"
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#5545232 Posted on: 05/09/2018 05:56 PM
most TV now 4K .... PC display seems following the trend, then again high-resolution is kinda rivaling VR, both trying to get the trend
on other-side the content seems still catching up
worldwide bandwidth itself feel exhausted, it feel usage outpacing the network grow
the era of 8k is kinda to early
even those who buy 8K display wont using 8K content anytime soon ... probably wont in that TV-lifetime
and most likely only those people that have tons of money that buy the display just for "status"
Idk, the 8K thing is a bit of chicken and egg problem. Studios are not going to master content for 8K if there are no TV's available and no one wants to buy an 8K TV with any content. It needs to start somewhere... i just think the entire discussion is premature entirely. I'd rather them focus on color reproduction, variable refresh rates, panel uniformity, contrast, etc than building ultra high resolution displays. If I was to assign a "quality" number out of 10, going from 4K to 8K increases quality by 3 - getting 0 nit blacks with no bleed increases quality by 6. Obviously my opinion but I think most people would agree. Plus all that 4K/1080P content you already have all gets improved with the latter, with the former you're starting with no content.
most TV now 4K .... PC display seems following the trend, then again high-resolution is kinda rivaling VR, both trying to get the trend
on other-side the content seems still catching up
worldwide bandwidth itself feel exhausted, it feel usage outpacing the network grow
the era of 8k is kinda to early
even those who buy 8K display wont using 8K content anytime soon ... probably wont in that TV-lifetime
and most likely only those people that have tons of money that buy the display just for "status"
Idk, the 8K thing is a bit of chicken and egg problem. Studios are not going to master content for 8K if there are no TV's available and no one wants to buy an 8K TV with any content. It needs to start somewhere... i just think the entire discussion is premature entirely. I'd rather them focus on color reproduction, variable refresh rates, panel uniformity, contrast, etc than building ultra high resolution displays. If I was to assign a "quality" number out of 10, going from 4K to 8K increases quality by 3 - getting 0 nit blacks with no bleed increases quality by 6. Obviously my opinion but I think most people would agree. Plus all that 4K/1080P content you already have all gets improved with the latter, with the former you're starting with no content.
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Wish they'd focus on making 1080p/QHD/4K panels that aren't trash instead of 8K. I've owned 6 AU Optronics panels over the course of 8 years that have had horrible levels of backlight bleed.
It's seriously a joke that I'm spending upwards of $1000+ on a 27"+ monitor and the uniformity/QC is absolute garbage. I partially blame Nvidia for not stepping in and ensuring the panels meet a specific requirement to be labeled G-Sync, especially when G-Sync offers me nothing now over Freesync, arguably hampering my ability to buy a monitor.