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AU Optronics 144 Hz Panels will be AMVA
AU Optronics is working on new 144 Hz Panels type AMVA monitor panels (Advanced MVA). The new VA type panel will go into production in Q1 2016. The 30in curved 21:9 based monitor will get a 2560x1080 resolution.
The new 30" M300DVR01.0 panel will get a 144Hz refresh rate as well which is still pretty rare for VA technology. It has a 3000:1 static contrast ratio, 300 cd/m2 brightness, 178/178 viewing angles and sRGB colour gamut. It has a 2000R curvature as well. With production not starting until Q1 2016 don't expect to see this available in any monitor until middle of next year.
AMVA is designed to offer improved performance including reduced colour washout, and the aim to conquer the significant problem of colour distortion with traditional wide viewing angle technology. This technology creates more domains than conventional multi-domain vertical alignment (MVA) LCD's and reduces the variation of transmittance in oblique angles. It helps improve colour washout and provides better image quality in oblique angles than conventional VA LCD's. Also, it has been widely recognized worldwide that AMVA technology is one of the few ways to provide optimized image quality through multiple domains.
In a smaller 23.8" size AUO also have a couple of interesting TN Film panels planned. The new M238DTN01.0 and M238DTN01.2 panels will offer a 2560 x 1440 resolution for high pixel density viewing on a panel of this size, along with a 144Hz refresh rate. Being TN Film based they offer 1000:1 contrast ratio, 350 cd/m2 brightness, 170/160 viewing angles and sRGB gamut. They are expected to go in to production in October and December this year, so expect to see some displays featuring them in the new year hopefully.
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#5146391 Posted on: 08/24/2015 09:32 AM
This could be a good monitor. I HATE bad black levels.
This could be a good monitor. I HATE bad black levels.
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#5146416 Posted on: 08/24/2015 10:52 AM
A few words on response time:
ALL LCD`s have around 10ms pixel response time. That "1ms gtg" advertised is the fastest color shift (grey to grey) measurement under heavy overdrive. All other color shifts are only worse under that heavy overdrive. And if you even used that much overdrive you would have clearly visible bright inverse ghosting going on. In other words - the advertised response time is 100% worthless info, just like contrast ratio nowadays.
BUT: the three technologies which are in fact GOOD for enjoying motion are:
CRT = 0ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
DLP (projector) = 1ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
OLED = 0.01ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
Since CRT burns eyes and is too small and dead. And since OLED is way too expensive and only available on TVs with lots of bloat that creates massive input lag... (lowest input lag OLED tv out there = 50ms).
The best way to enjoy motion right now is in fact a DLP projector.
If they can manage 1ms gsync, I will definitely be getting one of these!
A few words on response time:
ALL LCD`s have around 10ms pixel response time. That "1ms gtg" advertised is the fastest color shift (grey to grey) measurement under heavy overdrive. All other color shifts are only worse under that heavy overdrive. And if you even used that much overdrive you would have clearly visible bright inverse ghosting going on. In other words - the advertised response time is 100% worthless info, just like contrast ratio nowadays.
BUT: the three technologies which are in fact GOOD for enjoying motion are:
CRT = 0ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
DLP (projector) = 1ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
OLED = 0.01ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
Since CRT burns eyes and is too small and dead. And since OLED is way too expensive and only available on TVs with lots of bloat that creates massive input lag... (lowest input lag OLED tv out there = 50ms).
The best way to enjoy motion right now is in fact a DLP projector.
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#5146421 Posted on: 08/24/2015 11:00 AM
The Acer Predator 144hz IPS I have now is awesome, with only one negative I've found. That being dark scenes, its just hard to make things out at times, seems a little too dark. I didn't really have this issue with the Asus rog swift.
How are AMVA blacks? Similar to the panel in the Predator?
The Acer Predator 144hz IPS I have now is awesome, with only one negative I've found. That being dark scenes, its just hard to make things out at times, seems a little too dark. I didn't really have this issue with the Asus rog swift.
How are AMVA blacks? Similar to the panel in the Predator?
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#5146467 Posted on: 08/24/2015 12:21 PM
You're Professional Gamer who has to live of it?
If they can manage 1ms gsync, I will definitely be getting one of these!
You're Professional Gamer who has to live of it?
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#5146553 Posted on: 08/24/2015 04:17 PM
For those that dont know AU Optronics makes the 144hz displays for Asus, BenQ and others.
For those that dont know AU Optronics makes the 144hz displays for Asus, BenQ and others.
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#5146569 Posted on: 08/24/2015 05:09 PM
In terms of pure static contrast ratio (the only contrast ratio spec that actually matters),
all AMVA panels >>>>>>>>>>> TN > IPS
Black levels on AMVA are far far superior and much darker than all IPS panels and yet are still close to them in terms of color accuracy and off-axis viewing angle quality, which is why people want to see 144hz Gsync versions of them so badly.
How are AMVA blacks? Similar to the panel in the Predator?
In terms of pure static contrast ratio (the only contrast ratio spec that actually matters),
all AMVA panels >>>>>>>>>>> TN > IPS
Black levels on AMVA are far far superior and much darker than all IPS panels and yet are still close to them in terms of color accuracy and off-axis viewing angle quality, which is why people want to see 144hz Gsync versions of them so badly.
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#5146571 Posted on: 08/24/2015 05:11 PM
IPS blacks and TN blacks are VERY close. Read that as they are really, really bad compared to VA and are simply not good enough compared.
IPS blacks and TN blacks are VERY close. Read that as they are really, really bad compared to VA and are simply not good enough compared.
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#5146614 Posted on: 08/24/2015 06:21 PM
CRT = 0ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
DLP (projector) = 1ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
OLED = 0.01ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
OK thanks, so how do TN, AMVA compare? There must be an average/mean comparison.
If a TN/AMVA panel says 1ms. What's the maximum possible latency in gaming?
You're Professional Gamer who has to live of it?
No, just want lowest possible latency for rFactor2
CRT = 0ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
DLP (projector) = 1ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
OLED = 0.01ms pixel response time for ALL color shifts equally
OK thanks, so how do TN, AMVA compare? There must be an average/mean comparison.
If a TN/AMVA panel says 1ms. What's the maximum possible latency in gaming?
You're Professional Gamer who has to live of it?
No, just want lowest possible latency for rFactor2
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#5146749 Posted on: 08/24/2015 10:10 PM
Since CRT burns eyes and is too small and dead. .
After 22 years of using CRT's my eyes are just fine, working/gaming 8h+ every day,no glasses
From looking at my friends lcd for 5min my eyes are in tears and not only from bad picture quality
I think they are undead, mine is still kicking at 3.5 years always on and 9 total, sharp as knife, Diamondtron FTW ;D
Since CRT burns eyes and is too small and dead. .
After 22 years of using CRT's my eyes are just fine, working/gaming 8h+ every day,no glasses
From looking at my friends lcd for 5min my eyes are in tears and not only from bad picture quality
I think they are undead, mine is still kicking at 3.5 years always on and 9 total, sharp as knife, Diamondtron FTW ;D
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#5146758 Posted on: 08/24/2015 10:31 PM
The PB278Q has been using an AUO AMVA panel since being updated. Of course it has a standard refresh rate but the image quality is quite good for the price.
The PB278Q has been using an AUO AMVA panel since being updated. Of course it has a standard refresh rate but the image quality is quite good for the price.
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#5146934 Posted on: 08/25/2015 08:00 AM
Good to know, can't wait for those non-wacky resolutions like 16:9 2k and 4k though!
Good to know, can't wait for those non-wacky resolutions like 16:9 2k and 4k though!
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#5146956 Posted on: 08/25/2015 08:49 AM
I prefer AMVA panels myself after using my screen for a couple of years (BenQ GW2760HS). Even though it is only 1920x1080, I would prefer this over many other monitors. The two things I wouldn't go without now is flicker-free (non-PWM) backlighting and AMVA panels.
I prefer AMVA panels myself after using my screen for a couple of years (BenQ GW2760HS). Even though it is only 1920x1080, I would prefer this over many other monitors. The two things I wouldn't go without now is flicker-free (non-PWM) backlighting and AMVA panels.
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#5146996 Posted on: 08/25/2015 10:25 AM
What's wrong with flicker free?
What's wrong with flicker free?
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#5147007 Posted on: 08/25/2015 10:54 AM
Maybe what's wrong without it?
What's wrong with flicker free?
Maybe what's wrong without it?
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If they can manage 1ms gsync, I will definitely be getting one of these!