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Guru3D.com » News » ASUS Is looking into applying liquid metal opposed to TIM in some of their Game laptops

ASUS Is looking into applying liquid metal opposed to TIM in some of their Game laptops

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/02/2020 06:36 PM | source: | 30 comment(s)
ASUS Is looking into applying liquid metal opposed to TIM in some of their  Game laptops

Serious overclockers and enthusiasts have long used liquid metal on high-end machines, but it’s typically applied by hand, which isn’t feasible for mass production. For more than a year, we’ve been developing a proprietary process and machine capable of applying it at scale. ASUS sees that differently.

Liquid metals have low melting points that render them fluid at room temperature. These alloys are highly conductive, so they’re extremely effective at transferring thermal energy between surfaces like a processor die and heatsink. The benefits are well-established in overclocking and DIY circles. ASUS internal testing reinforced the appeal for gaming laptops and their engineers observed a 10~20°C reduction in temperatures depending on the CPU.

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The improved thermal interface creates margin that can be used in different ways. Lower temperatures help processors sustain higher clock speeds for longer, and also prevent fans from ramping up to louder RPMs. The additional thermal headroom can also be used to reach even faster frequencies and higher performance.

ASUS applies Conductonaut from Thermal Grizzly because it has a lower concentration of tin, which isn’t as conductive as the gallium and indium that also make up the alloy. Rather than working closely with Thermal Grizzly like we do with other partners, we purchased initial quantities more casually to keep the project a secret. Not even Intel knew of our plans during development.

Step one is essentially painting; a mechanized arm wets its brush in a container of liquid metal and then glides back and forth across the CPU. It performs exactly 17 passes, which our extensive testing determined is the ideal number for complete coverage. Rather than simply sliding back and forth, the machine mimics human motion by also moving vertically to add a subtle arc.

 

 

We did a lot of internal testing to determine how much liquid metal is best. Too little reduces the efficiency of thermal transfer, but too much increases the likelihood of leakage and needlessly wastes an expensive material. The first stage doesn’t apply enough, so a second machine injects more compound at two points on the die. The surface tension created by the initial coat helps spread the additional material without subsequent brushing.

Finding the right components for the second stage was one of the most challenging aspects of the project. Although we were able to use off-the-shelf parts, it was extremely difficult to source ones capable of not only housing liquid metal, but also reliably dispensing a precise dose. The syringe and pump are made of stainless steel to avoid reacting with the compound.

ROG is so metal

Our liquid metal project is still ongoing as we continue pursuing better cooling for gaming laptops. Last year’s ROG Mothership was our first system to take advantage of the technology. Its limited production run allowed us to pilot an earlier version of the process that relied on hand-painting the initial coat. We automated the brushing stage to improve efficiency and redesigned the shim to work across different motherboards, enabling a much wider rollout across the full family of ROG gaming laptops with 10th Gen Intel Core processors. Patents on our liquid metal process and sponge formally recognize the innovation ROG continues bringing to gaming laptops. The superior thermal compound enhances cooling enough to tangibly improve performance, temperatures, and acoustics. Where it was once restricted to the realm of hardcore overclocking, we’re making liquid metal available to a much larger audience.

ROG laptops with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal will be available in Q2 of this year. Contact your local ROG representative for details on pricing and availability in your region, and see our 2020 gaming laptop guide to learn about the lineup.



ASUS Is looking into applying liquid metal opposed to TIM in some of their  Game laptops ASUS Is looking into applying liquid metal opposed to TIM in some of their  Game laptops




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D1stRU3T0R
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#5775801 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:25 PM
lol, not even this can save it from the 10th gen Shintel CPU temps and false TDP. Wonder if they put a "real" 100+W TDP coolers or they cool the fake 35W TDP with a fan being capable of doing only that.

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#5775802 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:29 PM
Guessing this is Intel-only, given that it's the only way to keep those things from completely slowing to a crawl after a few seconds.

Also guessing this is what they used on the Zephyrus Duo. So this is what Intel has been up to: deals to guarantee that the flagship laptop products use the wildly inefficient Intel solutions in exchange for kickbacks.

Using liquid metal TIM isn't that impractical cost-wise, given that they're getting money back from Intel for this.

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#5775803 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:30 PM
I mean, you choose a good quality thermal interface for your products. Do you have to call it a secret project?

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#5775804 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:31 PM
Isn't liquid metal supposed to be reapplied 1-2 months after first being applied?

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#5775807 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:38 PM
Isn't liquid metal supposed to be reapplied 1-2 months after first being applied?

I'm not sure, but I doubt they'd resort to this if that was the case, even with the Intel kickbacks.

A premium product like this going awry after only six months or so could do immense damage to a brand.

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