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ASUS Is looking into applying liquid metal opposed to TIM in some of their Game laptops

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/02/2020 05:36 PM | source: | 30 comment(s)
ASUS Is looking into applying liquid metal opposed to TIM in some of their  Game laptops

Serious overclockers and enthusiasts have long used liquid metal on high-end machines, but it’s typically applied by hand, which isn’t feasible for mass production. For more than a year, we’ve been developing a proprietary process and machine capable of applying it at scale. ASUS sees that differently.

Liquid metals have low melting points that render them fluid at room temperature. These alloys are highly conductive, so they’re extremely effective at transferring thermal energy between surfaces like a processor die and heatsink. The benefits are well-established in overclocking and DIY circles. ASUS internal testing reinforced the appeal for gaming laptops and their engineers observed a 10~20°C reduction in temperatures depending on the CPU.

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The improved thermal interface creates margin that can be used in different ways. Lower temperatures help processors sustain higher clock speeds for longer, and also prevent fans from ramping up to louder RPMs. The additional thermal headroom can also be used to reach even faster frequencies and higher performance.

ASUS applies Conductonaut from Thermal Grizzly because it has a lower concentration of tin, which isn’t as conductive as the gallium and indium that also make up the alloy. Rather than working closely with Thermal Grizzly like we do with other partners, we purchased initial quantities more casually to keep the project a secret. Not even Intel knew of our plans during development.

Step one is essentially painting; a mechanized arm wets its brush in a container of liquid metal and then glides back and forth across the CPU. It performs exactly 17 passes, which our extensive testing determined is the ideal number for complete coverage. Rather than simply sliding back and forth, the machine mimics human motion by also moving vertically to add a subtle arc.

 

 

We did a lot of internal testing to determine how much liquid metal is best. Too little reduces the efficiency of thermal transfer, but too much increases the likelihood of leakage and needlessly wastes an expensive material. The first stage doesn’t apply enough, so a second machine injects more compound at two points on the die. The surface tension created by the initial coat helps spread the additional material without subsequent brushing.

Finding the right components for the second stage was one of the most challenging aspects of the project. Although we were able to use off-the-shelf parts, it was extremely difficult to source ones capable of not only housing liquid metal, but also reliably dispensing a precise dose. The syringe and pump are made of stainless steel to avoid reacting with the compound.

ROG is so metal

Our liquid metal project is still ongoing as we continue pursuing better cooling for gaming laptops. Last year’s ROG Mothership was our first system to take advantage of the technology. Its limited production run allowed us to pilot an earlier version of the process that relied on hand-painting the initial coat. We automated the brushing stage to improve efficiency and redesigned the shim to work across different motherboards, enabling a much wider rollout across the full family of ROG gaming laptops with 10th Gen Intel Core processors. Patents on our liquid metal process and sponge formally recognize the innovation ROG continues bringing to gaming laptops. The superior thermal compound enhances cooling enough to tangibly improve performance, temperatures, and acoustics. Where it was once restricted to the realm of hardcore overclocking, we’re making liquid metal available to a much larger audience.

ROG laptops with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal will be available in Q2 of this year. Contact your local ROG representative for details on pricing and availability in your region, and see our 2020 gaming laptop guide to learn about the lineup.



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Robbo9999
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#5775821 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:17 PM
I see lots of returns due to failures from leaked liquid metal with these if they launch! Also the heatsinks of laptops are notoriously 'un-flat' so therefore making leaking even more likely, but also making loss of contact over time an issue with the liquid metal drying up due to poor mating of the 2 surfaces. If they can crack those issues and decrease the manufacturing tolerances so the heatsinks fit more precisely, then perhaps this could work....they gotta really tighten up their tolerances though, this is the opposite of cheap, but thankfully also the opposite of crap (which resides with most laptop cooling systems nowadays)!

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#5775825 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:27 PM
With liquid metal you do need a wetting period of a few weeks. It's basically priming the surface first before applying the finished product.

Same with any TIM, you get better results if you first apply and then remove then re-apply. This method just fills in all the unseen micro pores/scratches first then second coat works better.

Ssateneth
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#5775826 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:37 PM
Isn't liquid metal supposed to be reapplied 1-2 months after first being applied?

Only when applied to raw copper heatsinks, since the material will alloy with the copper and get soaked up. Adding more LM after some has been alloyed should prevent dry out down the line. I personally have seen dry out multiple times though only on raw copper cold plates.

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#5775830 Posted on: 04/02/2020 07:45 PM
Isn't liquid metal supposed to be reapplied 1-2 months after first being applied?


From my experience no,i used the same liquid metal application for about 3 years on my 6700k ,i had it applied between die and heatspreader and heatspreader and heatsink(was delidded). Had to sand the heatspreader though because it wasn't making good contact,anyway.

The liquid metal didn't look much different. There was some blackness like corrosion on the heatsink,but i get that from normal paste as well,nothing serious.

I THINK i'm using liquid metal now as well on my current cpu for some time now,can't really remember what thermal compound i used as its been some time since i cleaned my loop.

I know i tried using it on GPUs but for some reason PC didn't boot on both tries, i think the GPU heatsink doesn't apply enough pressure for Liquid Metal.

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#5775837 Posted on: 04/02/2020 08:11 PM
This would be one of those times to say yes to the extended warranty. Liquid metal even if done right(not mixing alloys, enough mounting pressure, etc) can still be problematic in a couple years.

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